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Is A Penny A Cent, Or Not?

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 Posted 03/18/2024  08:37 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
As an aside, that same legislation stated:
"if any of the gold or silver coins which shall be struck or coined at the said Mint shall be debased or made worse as to the proportion of fine gold or fine silver therein contained, or shall be of less weight or value than the same ought to be pursuant to connivance of any of the officers or persons who shall be employed at the said Mint, for the purpose of profit or gain, officers or persons shall embezzle any of the metals which shall at any time be committed to their charge for the purpose of being coined at the said Mint, every such officer or person who shall commit any or either of the said offences, shall be deemed guilty of felony, and shall suffer death."
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 Posted 03/18/2024  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
In conventional use, having a different word for the name of a coin, instead of an amount of money, can be useful, especially when one is talking about plurals. Using "penny" fulfils this linguistic need.

Saying "I have six cents" is ambiguous; do you have six pennies, or one penny and a nickel, or do you really not even care since you're talking about an amount of money and not about specific coins?

The coin's official and unambiguous name is the "one cent piece", but saying "I have six one cent pieces" is way too long for anybody to say in casual conversation, plus adds it's own set of ambiguities - did you say "six one cents" or "sixty-one cents"? Saying "pennies" is shorter, quicker and less ambiguous, at least in the American context where "penny" doesn't mean anything else.

Incidentally, in Britain and other places which use or used to use "actual pennies" as a unit of currency, this ambiguity is removed by having different plural forms of the word. "I have six pennies" unambiguously means "I have six one-penny coins", whereas "I have six pence" means "I have an amount of money which adds up to £0.06, the exact number and type of coins is irrelevant to me since I'm only concerned about the amount of money I have". You would never say "I have six pennies" if you actually have three tuppences, for example. Britain itself has its own ambiguousness when it comes to "decimal pennies" versus "predecimal pennies", but that's a whole other issue.

For my own personal use, I am quite strict about correct terminology when I'm on the World subsections of this forum; I say "cent" when talking about the American or Canadian one cent piece. But when I'm on the US subsections of the forum (where there is no possibility of confusing the "cent" with an "actual penny"), I tend to follow the majority.
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 Posted 03/18/2024  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwiskers to your friends list
I realize they're commonly referred to as "pennies", but that makes no cents to me...
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Where does the word nickel appear on the Jefferson 5 cent coin?

Well the 'nickel' is such called due to its metal content and this is only done for this one coin.
If I said that I had 25 cents - another person would logically assume that I have a quarter - not 25 pennies.
Now a quarter is called as such do to its ration in relation to the dollar - 1/4 of a dollar.
I would not call a quarter a copper/nickel clad, copper cored coin because of its metal content for the same reason I would not call a cent/penny a copper cent.
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Where does the word nickel appear on the Jefferson 5 cent coin?


I will stop saying pennies when you all stop saying nickels.
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a quarter is called as such due to its ration in relation to the dollar - 1/4 of a dollar,
...and a cent is called as such because a cent is a unit of value equal to 1/100 part of a basic unit of money.
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 Posted 03/18/2024  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
A cent is still a cent, even if we call them pennies. You can use both terms. They are not mutually exclusive.
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 Posted 03/18/2024  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
That's what I've always felt. I was just trying to needle those (in a friendly way) who continue to make a distinction.
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 Posted 03/18/2024  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
I think it's funny that the cent people always correct the penny people, but never the other way around. Every box or roll I've ever opened up says 50 pennies on it. Every bag I open has cents on it. Doesn't matter to me, just easer to say penny.
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 Posted 03/18/2024  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list

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Well the 'nickel' is such called due to its metal content and this is only done for this one coin.


Buzz thanks for playing, but no...

The first "nickel" was the copper-nickel Flying Eagle and Indian Head cents (until the composition was changed to bronze in 1864).

The second "nickel" was the three-cent copper-nickel coin, again with a silverish alloy appearance. That would have only been in 1864, and saw limited usage because the coin saw limited usage.

It's only with the third usage of the copper-nickel alloy on the 5c piece that the name finally stuck.

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 Posted 03/18/2024  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
As the Bard said so well, "much ado about nothing".
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 Posted 03/18/2024  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
The oldest, most irrelevant argument in coin collecting. No matter which term you use the other person understands what you're trying to convey. In the end, that's all that matters.
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The oldest, most irrelevant argument in coin collecting. No matter which term you use the other person understands what you're trying to convey. In the end, that's all that matters.
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 Posted 03/19/2024  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
The people that make them by the TRILLIONS even teach kids to call them pennies, that's enough for me.
https://www.usmint.gov/learn/kids/about-the-mint

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