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1963 5c Double Struck

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 Posted 04/20/2024  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list

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Pretty sure this was struck from false dies. Not a mint error.


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 Posted 04/20/2024  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list
Now that's a new one for me.
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 Posted 04/20/2024  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
I don't understand why the rim has no impressions
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 Posted 04/20/2024  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
The rim should show damage from underlying off center strike. Red flags. Would need to see it in hand. I count 4 strikes on rev
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 Posted 04/20/2024  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
I don't know on this one.

I'm not sure due to the fact that the additional strikes left too much of the underlying details with no flattening. The details are usually obliterated by the 2nd, 3rd, etc. where they can almost disappear. Also, with the additional strikes being off center, I don't see any indications of being broad struck.

When I look at the letters in CANADA, the letters don't look like they were struck from the same die. The cut of the letters doesn't look to be of the same design and shape.
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 Posted 04/20/2024  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
What happened to the last A in Canada on the second strike? Why is "5 Cents" not doubled?
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 Posted 04/21/2024  01:33 am  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
Most definitely struck with fake dies... No real coin die would produce the outer edge of a coin, that is only produced by the collar die meeting with the edge of the other two dies.
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 Posted 04/21/2024  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Mike might want to see this one.
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 Posted 04/21/2024  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list

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Most definitely struck with fake dies... No real coin die would produce the outer edge of a coin, that is only produced by the collar die meeting with the edge of the other two dies.

I tend to agree. I don't think a second rim should be there
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 Posted 04/21/2024  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I'm in the struck with fake dies camp.
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 Posted 04/23/2024  06:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list
PMD

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 Posted 04/23/2024  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list
After looking at this coin, put me "tentatively" on team genuine double struck, albeit a rotated and tilted secondary strike. The devices are correctly oriented and not inversed as a post mint double strike vise job would be.

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Why is "5 cents" not doubled?

It is doubled, look to the upper left towards the rim as I see the secondary 5 CE then fades from there...

We may have to look at what the dies looked like back in 1963 when this nickel was struck to garner better ideas...

It almost looks like somebody in 1963 was playing with the dies at Ottawa so it could be a mint employee assisted error...
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 Posted 04/23/2024  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
I agree with PMD. "Struck" with counterfeit soft dies afterwards. A true double strike will result in a sharper second strike while flattening details of the first strike.
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 Posted 04/23/2024  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list
I handled that coin at the show and I told the vendor that I thought it was fake because the under strike was not obliterated by the later strike. PMD
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