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1799 Draped Bust Dollar (Real Or Fake?)

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 Posted 06/17/2024  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@nav, first welcome to CCF.

Second, I hope that you are seeing that CCF is a much better place to post questions like this compared to reddit.
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 Posted 06/17/2024  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
The fakest of the fake.
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 Posted 06/17/2024  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
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 Posted 06/17/2024  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blind Squirrel to your friends list
Well, somebody bought a counterfeit. What others have said above and then add in the sellers description.
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 Posted 06/18/2024  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Navincitron to your friends list
Thank you everyone for your input.

The deciding factor for me had been the coin was 3mm short of the 39mm-40mm expected diameter. Anyhow, the coin had been already sold a little while after I was given the edge photos and before I've received the diameter photo.

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 Posted 06/18/2024  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
The date is all wrong. Wrong font, and it's too big.

Fake... very fake.
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 Posted 06/18/2024  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Definite fake; matches a previous example of a "Hobo Nickel" version previously listed on the Bay. The edge is a dead giveaway, as it should not be that sharp/ flat and machined like.

Both the seller and the Bay were notified; hopefully the sale blocked...

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I actually asked the seller for the edge images...
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 Posted 06/18/2024  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list

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The deciding factor for me had been the coin was 3mm short of the 39mm-40mm expected diameter.

That image doesn't really show the true diameter anyway, since the ruler doesn't align through the center of the coin -- it's too high, across her nose rather than her jaw. The seller should have used a caliper (or maybe set the coin on top of the ruler if one wasn't available).

Good that you passed/missed it anyway.
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 Posted 06/18/2024  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Navincitron to your friends list
Again, thank you all for this insight.
I would have never been able to determine its legitimacy based on less obvious obverse/reverse details.

Would this forum/subforum be a good place to ask questions verifying legitimacy of coins? I also had a couple other coins (1840 Seated Liberty dollar, 1921 High Relief Peace dollar) I wanted to confirm as well..
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Would this forum/subforum be a good place to ask questions verifying legitimacy of coins? I also had a couple other coins (1840 Seated Liberty dollar, 1921 High Relief Peace dollar) I wanted to confirm as well..
Yes! Start a new topic with photos for each on in this forum.
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 Posted 06/18/2024  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list

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Definite fake; matches a previous example of a "Hobo Nickel" version previously listed on the Bay. The edge is a dead giveaway, as it should not be that sharp/ flat and machined like.


Interesting that the counterfeiter cleaned up a lot of the bubbles on the counterfeit coin and added adjustment marks. It looks like the counterfeit die has had a lot of use. I will remember the hobo nickel fake the next time I come across it. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 06/19/2024  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Well, I'm glad you missed out on this one - even IF it were a real coin, I would not have bought it from this seller because of the way he handled the coin..
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 Posted 06/23/2024  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doc1880 to your friends list
People can argue it till the cows come home but I'll always standby key date and semi key date coins either come NGC, PCGS, ANACS or they don't come at all around here.
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 Posted 06/23/2024  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
I'll "argue" including ICG; one of the best authenticators in the business...
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We can include ICG
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