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1923 S Standing Liberty Quarter Grade Requested

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 Posted 08/02/2024  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Looking at the shield and all the detail in both Liberty and the Eagle, this looks VF-30 straight grade to me.
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 Posted 08/02/2024  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I'm at VF20.

there are quite a few scratches on the left side of the obv. and through the body. if they are on the coin they do not look they are all in the same direction which is a plus and may rule out a harsher type cleaning. TPG's may be lenient on this due to the date but would probably net it down if they don't details it.

if you are seeing the pinkish coloring on both sides, like the photos are showing, this may indicate an old cleaning. it could be lighting, it could be photos altering the surfaces a little so again an in-hand assessment is needed. it definitely has retoned if it was in fact cleaned

I'm not sure i'd buy her raw unless I could return it
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 Posted 08/02/2024  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list

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Here's what F-15 looks like on the PCGS grading site.


Nope, here is what an F15 looks like on the PCGS grading scale - direct screen grab from PhotoGrade. And what follows is the PCGS screengrab for VF30




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 Posted 08/02/2024  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
If I am a buyer of the coin having to grade it through the plastic, I am not paying over F12 price. The coin has an upside of getting into a TPG holder at VF20, but hard to tell with the white scratches that appear to be on the plastic. The example has had an old cleaning, but is it market acceptable to get a straight grade?

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 Posted 08/02/2024  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
DOCC you are showing photos of a Type I.
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I posted the wrong one also. Here is a VF-25 23-S from PCGS. I'm revising my grade down to VF-25.

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 Posted 08/02/2024  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I'll say Fine.
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 Posted 08/02/2024  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list
IGE - no, just off photograde. they don't distinguish types in photograde
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 Posted 08/02/2024  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
DOCC - T1 and T-2 SLQs are graded differently in the marketplace. I don't care how, or what, Photograde depicts or says. The varieties are completely different.
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 Posted 08/02/2024  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
OP - your coin appears to be between F and VF. All depends what it looks like in hand, who's grading it and what day it is.
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 Posted 08/02/2024  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list
Western, so more lenient with Type 2?
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 Posted 08/02/2024  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
DOCC - I think from the 1917 T-2 up thru 1924 they are graded a little more loosely. The 1921 and 1923 coins are particularly "awful". It's tough to find uniform and appealing coins for this series. Buy em when you find em!
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 Posted 08/02/2024  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add divesww to your friends list
Thank you for all your expert opinions. In my non-expert comparisons with graded coins (and my very biased opinion) I have found similar examples with PCGS grades from f15 to vf30 so that is in line with your opinions. The cleaning question is what concerns me the most because that can really affect the value of a coin. The cost of this coin would be $700 which would be in line with about an f15 according to my 2023 Red Book. And if it is a vf25 then it could be worth $1000. Thanks again and any additional insights would certainly be welcome.
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Do not use Red Book for values.
http://m.numismedia.com/rarecoinprices.htm
ebay sold values,and for high end coins check auction houses' sold values.
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 Posted 08/03/2024  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
comparing the VF25 photo IGE posted to the OP's it doesn't quite make the grade imo. the lettering and devices on the 25 are just a little sharper.

as westernsky stated.
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your coin appears to be between F and VF. All depends what it looks like in hand, who's grading it and what day it is.


you can't go by photograde as the end all be all. you can get into the ballpark but thats about it and above all you can't go by just one component to grade a coin. drives my crazy. we have proven this time and time again.
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