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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I wouldn't pay 63 money for this one. MS62.
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Agree with @smat 's VAM-4 designation, which won't bring any real variety premium. This coin looks MS62 to me. If it proves to be PL, it's a 300-400-dollar coin. If it makes DMPL, double that.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Thank you all for your opinions as well as for the VAM citation. I checked all of the Top 50/100/etc. VAMs and when it didn't match any of those I just gave up. I was also torn between MS62 and MS63, I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed with either. I don't know if the Reverse is PL enough to warrant that designation, but I will keep my fingers crossed. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A couple years ago, I think this coin could have pulled a 63 from any of the TPGs. The much tighter standards being used right now likely holds this coin to MS-62 in their eyes. The reverse is fantastic. The overall eye appeal is better than the technical grade. The fact that we are all on the 62/63 bubble suggests that it's still a bourse floor MS-63, but I'd hold off getting it certified right now. Nice coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm at 63 too. The reverse is 65 easily and the obverse is a 62 imo.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2004 Posts |
My first impression was that the bag marks hold it to a 62 but it does indeed appear to be proof-like. Can you hold the coin on edge over a printed page and see the reflection of the printing? If so, for what distance, (2",3",4", etc...)
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'll say MS-63.
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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the 8TF are well known so above average to strong strikes and this one definitely falls on the high end of strike. luster appears to be in place for the most part with some high device rub. surface preservation drops her for the obv fields, cheek and jaw. the overall eye appeal is just average for me but the lighting is not the best.
imo the hits on the cheek and jaw are not sufficient to lower the grade to a 62. based on my numbers applied to each of these categories and the overall look of the coin, I see it at a solid MS63 And if it was not for the field scratches under PLU and the jaw marks I think it could pull a + or maybe a 64. so one must then say how much do those 2 areas degrade the coin? As for PL designation, there is no way to tell without some type depth of field view so without that I can't see a PL designation on her.
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Valued Member
United States
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The grade is in, here are the TrueView pics if anyone would like to make a final guess:   I'll post the grade tomorrow, thanks again all. |
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United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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@unimpossible: That sucks. If it's cleaned then it appears market-acceptable to me. Do you see spots of abrasions on either surface?
I see a bit of what looks to be die polish and maybe signs of a light wipe. Nothing that should detail it imo.
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United States
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I was of the same opinion. My guess is that the hairlines near the BUS in Pluribus were the culprit - these didn't appear as pronounced in seller pics. Still kind of a drag for a 98% original coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Obviously something happened, but I wouldn't call that cleaning. Bummer for sure. The seller pics definitely down played those lines on the obverse.
Blowing up the obverse area around the"BUS," I don't see those lines crossing the letters, looks like they stop and start? Might something have happened to the planchet or die causing this?
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05/31/2025 7:38 pm
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