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Pillar of the Community
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Wow that CACG does not look like a PO-1! You can even see great portions of the hair design! That makes the OP coin look even more poor-1. Exactly!, It's the reason I wrote: "It's a shame that these people lack consistency, especially considering the high fees they charge.".Poor me, I paid a good penny for this CACG-rated coin ! |
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Your 1897-O may be VAM-3, Die #2. I can see the light doubling on the lips and nose and the die scratches in the neck gap, and the mm looks spot on. The other markers are goners, though. On a positive confirming note, there are also two die scratches visible on the VAM photos that I can see on your coin. On both the VAM coin and yours, there is a very light curved scratch from just above the cap vee to the curl of the hair below the cap. (There is also a much heavier surface scratch immediately east of the one I'm talking about, so look just a little bit closer to the hair than that scratch.) On both the VAM coin and yours there is a light scratch from between lower tail feathers 5 and 6 to the left curl of the wreath bow, and heading down close to its side toward the knot. |
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Wow that CACG does not look like a PO-1! You can even see great portions of the hair design! That makes the OP coin look even more poor-1.  |
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It's a shame that these people lack consistency, especially considering the high fees they charge. Exactly - and it's the primary reason I gave up on lowball collecting. I don't talk about lowballs much at the CCF, but at one time I was a serious PCGS registry lowball set collector finding raw coins and having them certified. I was good enough at it that PCGS awarded me 9 separate annual 'best of' award plaques for low ball Barber halves, Liberty Walking halves and Peace dollars.  I sold all of those coins because it was expensive and frustrating to keep sending coins to PCGS that I KNEW were PO01 and they continually dropped the ball. Good bye and good riddance to spending my hard earned money that way! Anyways - I say with the voice of knowledge that the OP Morgan is a PO01 coin. Best of wishes to anyone who wishes to play in the certified lowball game. I'm out. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Pillar of the Community
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1897 - P0-2 ...   Edited by mrwiskers
06/20/2025 3:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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That is why I notice so many numismatists glorifying these grading companies..
I'm tired of hearing, "CACG is better than PCGS, PCGE is better than NGC, and that NGC is better than ANACS, oh, don't buy ICG, they don't grade well".
They are all human with their own opinions, no one is better than the other.
The thing that gets me is that more than one grader sees each coin and gives their opinion on it, this holds with overraded PCGS, don't know about the others..
I am very disappointed with CACG regarding the decision of my so-called "PO1" 1878 S Morgan. Hopefully, they (CACG) are reading this message and will recognize and admit that they have dropped the ball on this.
But I must say this before ending: The Reverse of my 1878 S Morgan is a PO1.
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Bedrock of the Community
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if any more of that date or MM is missing at all one could not even determine the date and mint. that grade is way wrong there is no way this coin is FR2
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Pillar of the Community
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Why not ask them to redo it for such an egregious screw up? From all the feedback here, this seems like much more of a mistake than a difference of opinion.
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Why not ask them to redo it for such an egregious screw up? From all the feedback here, this seems like much more of a mistake than a difference of opinion. The OP's Morgan would go from a $35 coin to a $400 coin if they did... |
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I thought about contacting them, maybe I will since so many of you are of the same opinion. Thanks again for the input all.
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Pillar of the Community
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You would be wasting your time contacting PCGS about a grade. Crack it out and send to CACG or resend to PCGS.
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You would be wasting your time contacting PCGS about a grade. Crack it out and send to CACG or resend to PCGS. And give PCGS another chance in grading this coin, No Way !You sound like you don't like NGC, judging by your omission of them.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Here's a photo I just took of one of my coins to show the OP what PCGS once graded as FR02 A significant difference in the FR02 grade between the OP's and this one...   |
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Here's a photo I just took of one of my coins to show the OP what PCGS once graded as FR02 Nice example!  Quote:
A significant difference in the FR02 grade between the OP's and this one. |
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