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 Posted 12/30/2009  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobertBidniuk to your friends list
Interesting.
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 Posted 12/30/2009  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schmidty to your friends list
Wow...

Typical. Targeting kids with the utopian idea that this will create "world peace"
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 Posted 12/30/2009  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
This was discussed back when it (briefly) hit the headlines when Russian President Medvedev was given one at the G8 meeting. See old threads here and here.
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 Posted 12/30/2009  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I wonder how large such a coin would have to be to have all the languages on Earth for each denimination on them. AND all on the front.
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 Posted 12/30/2009  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list
I'm curious. How do you have diversity when the coin is stamped in English?

What idiot didn't fact this before minting:
OBVERSE the "Number 1" icon is repeated five times, representing the five continents. The border inscription reads "Unity in Diversity" and includes the first issue date of 2009.

REVERSE: the Tree of Life, with five leaves symbolizing local tree species that grow in the five continents. The border inscription reads "United Future World Currency".

*cough* I seem to remember there were 7 when I was a kid in school (Africa - Antarctica - Asia - Europe
North America - South America - Oceania) .. did global warming kill 2 of them off and no one told me?

WHICH ONES DID WE LOSE?!?!

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 Posted 12/31/2009  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
Well, Antarctica does not really have much in the way of people on it, and technically, Europe should be part of Asia.
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 Posted 12/31/2009  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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I'm curious. How do you have diversity when the coin is stamped in English?

Part of the globalization agenda these "one world" types usually promote is a universal language - usually English (or a modified form of English) is nominated, since it's the closest we have to a global language at the moment.

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I seem to remember there were 7 when I was a kid in school (Africa - Antarctica - Asia - Europe
North America - South America - Oceania)

How many continents there are depends largely on who's doing the counting, and why. The number varies from as low as four to over a dozen. This is partly because the word "continent" is somewhat vaguely defined.

Five (inhabited) continents is the usual reckoning in Europe. The five Olympic rings symbolize this, as do the five points on the communist star (used on the flags of most Communist regimes), symbolizing the desire to spread communism to all five continents. Wikipedia summarizes the debate well.
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 Posted 12/31/2009  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list
I hope they hire coin designers from Canada or Austrailia. Looks like the coin pictured came from the US mint
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 Posted 12/31/2009  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list
okay, 5 inhabited continents... I know Antarctica is not inhabited. Which of the other 6 would be considered uninhabited?
N. America has 528,720,588 people
S. America has 385,742,554 people
Europe has 731,000,000 people
Africa has 1,000,010,000 people
Oceania has 38,894,851 people
Asia has 3,879,000,000 people

I mean Oceania has the fewest, but we might tick off a lot of Australians if we tell them that their country is uninhabited.

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 Posted 12/31/2009  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I mean Oceania has the fewest, but we might tick off a lot of Australians if we tell them that their country is uninhabited.
I think the Wikipedia link from Sap summarizes it quite well. It is not a matter of excluding anyone, but a matter of combining Europe and Asia (Eurasia) or the Americas (North and South).
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 Posted 12/31/2009  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list
It is just silly, I think there should be a unified theory for definition of a Continent. I like having 7
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 Posted 12/31/2009  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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I think there should be a unified theory for definition of a Continent.

Just like there should be a unified world currency?

The problems in creating them both are similar - overcoming regional preferences and prejudices and deciding whose "definiton" will be the "real one".
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 Posted 12/31/2009  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list
No, I'm talking about science. The Speed of light is constant; the temperature of boiling water is the same all over the world. I think that the geologic community needs to come up with a more precise definition of the word continent.

And I'm sure there was some group of people that were all about the Planet Pluto but then astronomers said that Pluto was no longer a planet. Science changed things all over the world without changing the world or the relationships between countries.
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 Posted 01/01/2010  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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No, I'm talking about science.

And herein lies the problem; "continent" is not a scientific word. Or rather, different branches of science use it in different ways. Here are some "scientific" definitions of continent:

1. The linguist's definition: A continuous body of land; a large island. We'd have to quantify the size of "large", but if we use Australia as the standard (if it's the size of Australia or larger, it's a "continent") that would give us four continents: Afro-eurasia, America, Antarctica and Australia. Africa is an "artificial island" thanks to the Suez Canal (so whether the count is four or five would depend on whether or not you include artificial islands), but the Panama Canal is not wholly at sea level so it doesn't count.

2. The geographer's definition: A large landmass (and it's surrounding islands) separated by distinct geographic (physical and cultural) boundaries from other continents. Here, "large" again needs tightening, and "distinct" could use some more stringent guidelines, because the "boundary" between Europe And Asia is anything but distinct, either physically or culturally in most places, and there are regions not traditionally designated as separate continents (such as Arabia, East Africa and the Indian "subcontinent") that meet this criterion much better than Europe does.

3. The geologist's definition: a section of continental shelf separated by a tectonic plate boundary; separate sections of continental shelf residing on the same plate (such as India and Australia) may be regarded as separate continents. Under this definition, the island of America is divided into three large continents: North America, Caribbea and South America, and several smaller continents; "North America" would stop just below Mexico but would include half of Japan and Siberia. The total number of continents would be eleven at a minimum, probably larger; this definition makes no mention of size. Indeed, everything on the west side of the San Andreas Fault could be considered a separate continent to North America, under this definition.

4. The historian's definition: established by tradition, and rooted in mediaeval beliefs about the nature of the world. A continent is whatever our ancestors happened to be pointing at when they said, "That's a continent".

So long as those separate branches of science don't talk too much to each other, the disparate meanings can happily coexist. It's only when linguists try to talk to geologists, or geographers with historians, that problems arise.

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...the temperature of boiling water is the same all over the world...

Not quite; you probably think water boils at 212 degrees, but I'm in Australia, and I think water boils at 100 degrees - because we use the Celsius scale here. Some scientists would say that water boils at 373 degrees, because they'd be using the Kelvin scale. It all comes down to definitions, and "science" offers just one of many possible definitions.

Further, boiling point depends on atmospheric pressure, which decreases with altitude. In Mexico City, water boils at 93 deg C (200 deg F). If the Aztecs had conquered Europe rather than the other way around, the "official boiling point of water" would probably be different.
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 Posted 01/02/2010  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hippiebrian to your friends list
As far as the language on the coin, I think the idea is to present it like the euro...each country has a euro coined in it's own language, even though they are universally accepted and have exactly the same value.
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