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Can You Believe This Guy!

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 Posted 01/06/2010  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list

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I think the coin would probably be real by looking at the sellers feedback.
The seller has a 100% feedback and the seller has also sold a lot of coins.

Look at what kind of coins he has sold (overpriced gold plated replicas). That gives me little assurance that this one is real. The only real coins he has listed currently is (1971 P D U.S. MINT SET BU PROOF COINS CENT HALF DOLLARS)
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 Posted 01/06/2010  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list
100% fake in my opinion
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 Posted 01/06/2010  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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...without clicking on the coin I knew it was fake...


How did you know without even looking at larger images?

Just curious....that's all......
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 Posted 01/06/2010  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list
looks like a D mint mark to me......
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 Posted 01/06/2010  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list
Fake in my opinion...The MM looks horrible and even the date looks off. It amazes me the amount of bids this has and the amount of cash floating around on this coin. People bid on anything these days.
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 Posted 01/06/2010  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list
i saw it from a small photo and it was enough, I mean MM, the date and the coin itself didnt look right at all.
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 Posted 01/07/2010  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adco1149 to your friends list
I would have to vote fake. The distance between the numbers is to
close. and as compared to the closest example the mm isn't even close.

In the same scale the date is 10% shorter from left to right.



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 Posted 01/07/2010  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ferret552 to your friends list
Knowing that a nice, clear photo would probably rake in more cash, I wonder why the seller decided to just quickly photograph a picture of a valuable coin and sell it hastily? Something is fishy.
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 Posted 01/07/2010  06:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
seller didn't do anything wrong except taking bad pictures. he started the auction at $0.99, its the bidders that made the price go up so much. Would I buy a raw example by those pictures, no I wouldn't but I wouldn't buy a graded example either unless it was for someone else
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 Posted 01/07/2010  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list
Yes Bryan1315 is right its the peoples fault not the seller's its for sale but nobody is asking them to bid
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 Posted 01/07/2010  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I'd say fake. The mintmark looks too far right to be die 3, the date size and shape isn't right, the unusual sunkenness of the temple area and the shape of the cheekbone area is wrong compared to the 1909 hub, and the hair detail doesn't appear to match the 1909 hub. Don't know if the pictures will work but I'll try.
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Also note the nose is more pointed on the ebay coin compared to the rounded nose on the genuine coin, and the curve of the back edge of the shoulder is different. They used an hub of Lincoln from a different decade to make the fake die. (Lincolns portrait has been touched up several times over the years. A specialist could look at this bust and tell you what time period it was used. I can't do that, but I can see that it is different from the original bust.)
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 Posted 01/07/2010  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I'm no Lincoln expert either, but everything about this coin screams fake to me. We don't even need to focus on tiny diagnostics.
Put your thumb over the date on the ebay coin--what decade of the obverse does that most resemble? I'd say the 1970s.
Speaking of the date, the digits--particularly the 9 is completely wrong. They are squished horizontally, the inside loops almost connect, and the lower tails are wrong. Compare to the photo below of a similar fake. It appears they fixed that obvious blunder with the 1.

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I'm no coin expert but...yada, yada, yada.
The lamest, most over-used excuse ever. You make the claim, you do the legwork to verify your item--simple as that.
Sorry for the rant, but this stuff really is beyond belief. I reported this--if that helps.
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 Posted 01/07/2010  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list
Well I guess this picture leaves no further questions
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 Posted 01/08/2010  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
I was going to give the seller the benefit of the doubt that maybe he really didn't know it was fake, but when I looked at another one of his auctions it made me think he is misleading on purpose. Or at the very least he is being willfully ignorant about the coin and doesn't want to learn it is a fake.

The auction below is for a replica of a gold coin (1838 Eagle). Notice that while he says it is a replica and it is gold plated, he then goes on to make a big deal about the price of gold and how you should buy this as an investment. Fortunately with a final price of $10.50 no one was fooled. But if he is willing to try and convince people that buying $2 worth of gold plating is an "investment" then I wouldn't trust him on anything else.

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 Posted 01/08/2010  12:48 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
If I'm going to buy keys raw, it won't be on ebay that's for sure.
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