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Thanks, I'll try to get a better image and post it.You could be right about die scratches too.Maybe I've spent too much time staring at this coin.
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This is definitely NOT the OMM. It's not the right shape, it's not in exactly the right place, and the other scratches do not exist on the OMM.
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Sorry about the image but I'm new at this That is a great photo, give yourself more credit. John1  |
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I found 2 of this type coin in 50.00 of Fed rolled 1956 D penny's. James Wiles of CONECA has rejected this type of a coin as an error. It is listed as a WD MM-001 and is referred to by John Wexler. Has you have 1 and I have 2 and John Wexler must have one. CONECA may some day may recognize it. As it is not a clash I have no idea how it came to be and that is most likely the reason it is not a recognized error by CONECA. Maybe Mr Diamond will chime in on this one.  I will add one of my photos to your post  |
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Twohawks: That's not one of them either. Wrong die. You have a normal 1956D cent there.
While James Wiles might have rejected the 1956D OMM as a die variety (it never was considered an error by anyone), there are others who still remain convinced enough to list it, myself included.
Additionally, just because an attributor has a die listed in their files does NOT mean they own one. It only means they have examined and photographed the die. I do not own an example of every single die listed on coppercoins.com, and James Wiles does not own an example of every single die listed with CONECA. Many of these dies are listed through collector submissions of single coins that are returned to the collector after examination.
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Understood, as far as the attributors not owning the coin. Sorry my bad. On the one I posted it looks like a dead match of the one on CONECA's web site about 1/4 down as you scroll. But I could be mistaken, as I am a guy and guys are never wrong "just mistaken!"
Note is that your fruit salad? on the botom.
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If you are referring to the medals - yes.
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And as for the coin - you are unfortunately mistaken. I have found nearly two dozen of the actual OMM in various die states and various grades over the years. I know very well what they look like, and you don't have it in that image. The following are two examples I own of this die in varying die state...   |
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Thanks, Looking at your photos you are right. Yours is with out a doubt not PMD or a strange die polishing. It still wonder why Coneca will not list this type. The one I posted runs into the (1) |
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Nice images you 2.Twohawks,I have a few 1956D cents that look like yours and I've been curious if the artifact running through the upper portion of the nine is,I think it's damage to the die but I'm far from an expert.As for your images coppercoins I'm not sure about the upper photo but it sure looks like there's the lower portion of an S with the serif showing on the lower one.
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CONECA did originally list this die, but upon further study, James Wiles could not figure out how an S mintmark fit the shape on the die, so he delisted it. I subsequently found the answer...the S shape is up-side down. What you're seeing is actually the TOP loop of an S punched into the die up-side down.
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What you're seeing is actually the TOP loop of an S punched into the die up-side down. We are talking about over to the left of the tail of the nine, correct? So that is not a complete "S", but only half of it? I can imagine an entire (upside down) "S" on the lower picture, but it would be too small I suppose. |
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coppercoins,Looking at the lower one again I think I can faintly see the other loop of the S circling that small oval bump.Am I right?
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On early die state specimens wht appears 'could' be the lower serif is visible as a faint raised area above the two raised lines tht make up the upper curve. On later die state specimens this faint upper serif indication wears off but is faintly visible on some specimens. The later die state specimens show the entire upper curve of the S develop with die use. Some late die state specimens are known to exist but are very scarce. This puts an estimation of number of coins struck somewhere between 50,000 and 75,000 coins. That I know of, somewhere between 100 and 200 have been found and are known to exist.
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This variety is one that becomes more clear in later die states. It is also notoriously difficult to photograph because the relief of the (inverted) S mintmark is quite low and doesn't develop much of a shadow. It is far more obvious in-hand, even to the naked eye, than it is in photos. In-hand your two eyes see slightly different shadows from the mintmark and your brain puts the images together. Even in-hand it requires just the right angle (and a little movement to get even more shadow detail) to see clearly, but you are rewarded with a clear, full S with rounded upper and lower curves.
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