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Storing Silver Coins In Titanium

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 Posted 04/11/2010  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
What would a tube cost me? And I am interested in a capsule, how much are they? Thanks,
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 Posted 04/11/2010  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list
that tube is gorgeous, I want one :), and back to my other comment, yes titanium powder is very reactive but as nod2003 stated large blocks are stable you would be really suprised how reactive most metals are at high temps and low SA, as in powder. Just another side note, I know you never clean coins but I would atleast dry them out VERY well because wet coins (from sweat or humidity) plus salt from your hands will form a salt bridge, which is required for the galvanetic effect to occur as Jaobler said. With no salt bridge, no battery will form and your coins will be completly safe :), that said...

CAN I GET ONE?!

ps. good discussion guys
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 Posted 04/11/2010  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add exodus125 to your friends list
american mafia, you dont have any contact info, send me an email to exodus125 at hotmail dot com if you like. Id love to trade for some silver coins if you have any you can spare.
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 Posted 04/11/2010  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Very cool looking tubes! I was thinking....a couple ideas for you.

* Make the tubes big enough to fit a papered roll into them. Then you don't have to worry about any galvanic effects.
* For long term storage, put some Teflon pipe tape around the threads to seal it better.

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 Posted 04/12/2010  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add exodus125 to your friends list
Badthad, they have orings that make them waterproof.

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ive left one of these in a bucket of water for a couple of weeks and what was inside stayed dry.
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 Posted 04/12/2010  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list
how do you machine titanium, can just heavy duty lathe do it, with special blades, or do you just change/sharpen the blades constantly and PM sent
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 Posted 04/12/2010  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add exodus125 to your friends list
American mafia, in all honesty almost any lathe can handle it, titanium is not that hard. The main problem with it is that it doesn't disipate heat easily. When you cut into a piece of steel or aluminum, the heat is absorbed by what your cutting. When your cutting into titanium it doesn't want to absorb the heat generated from the cutting. The heat has to go somewhere so whatever your cutting it with gets very hot, which can cause problems. As long as you keep the cutting tools cool its not that bad, but it does increase wear an tear costs. Thats the main reason not too many people work with the stuff (I think)
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 Posted 04/12/2010  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
If you look up the problems with dissimilar matals touching each other you would find that is actually a benifit for temperaturee analysis. An industrial type of thermocouple is based on different metals touching each other. It's not Oxygen or Moisture that does this though so that is not the problem. It's changes in temperature that creates the electrical charge from the touching of dissimilar metals. And pending on the location there are different types of those metals used for the wiring. Some wiring manufacturers specialize in thermocouple wiring for all types of temperature controls.
The principal is a small threaded holed is placed in a pipe, air duct, gas duck, etc. Into this thermowell is screwed into a thermohead where the two dissimilar wires are conntected. Those wires are placed in Steel only conduits back to a meter that is sensitive enough to record temperature changes. As a temperature change occurs in that item, an electrical pulse is created and the meter reads that change.
Similar electrical charges are created in the ground where different metals touch and that is the purpose of what is called cathodic protection of grounding systems. For example in areas where the ground is high in Aluminum content, Copper can not be used for grounding systems due to the dissentigration of the Copper.
In other words storing Silver coins in a metalic tube is dangerous if there are temperature changes in the area.
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 Posted 04/12/2010  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add exodus125 to your friends list
would titaniums characteristic of being a very poor conductor of electricity come into play at all when it comes to that?
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 Posted 04/12/2010  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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would titaniums characteristic of being a very poor conductor of electricity come into play at all when it comes to that?

It's really not the conductivity of the metal, it's just the ability to create an electrical current with changes in temperatures. Leads and Northrup used to specialize in these types of wires. Some are the oddest metals that you wouldn't think would possibly be usefull for that purpose. However, some locations where these are used makes the types of wire metalic properties of spicific requirements. Over boilers in Fossil fuel power stations high heat metals are requred. Where air ducts are massive, several different types are utilized and the terminations are run through a swamping box for averaging temperature changes.
Summation is it is just not smart to place metalic coins in a metalic container where differences in temperature may and/or could occur.
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 Posted 04/12/2010  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add exodus125 to your friends list
when you say its dangerous what exactly do you mean? will you get electrocuted? explosion?
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 Posted 04/12/2010  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
We used to use stainless steel chests for storing infrequently used copper molds. To abate any chance of pitting or damage I just sprayed the stainless with a light coat of polyester resin (AKA liquid fibreglass resin). It's a long chain synthetic polymer basically impervious to anything and can be UV stabilized as well with an additive if required.

Later, when I built new ones, I switched to lining them with sheets of teflon which had become available and was about as inert as it anything on the planet.

I've stored coins in telfon wraps before but anything needing long term storage I always used plastic tubes since they are cheap, plentiful and offer great damage resistance and always happen to be just the right size.
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 Posted 04/12/2010  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add exodus125 to your friends list
found a very informative link:

http://www.engineersedge.com/galvan...tability.htm

according to that link, titanium has a anodic index of .30 and silver ahs an anodic index of .15.

Above the chart it states what differences can be tolerated in which environments. So for example, in a harsh environment with salt and moisture, there should be no more than a .15 difference in the anodic index. So even in a harsh environment silver and titanium would be ok, just like gold and silver are ok (gold has an anodic index of 0). I think this is why I have seen silver/titanium jewelry.

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 Posted 04/13/2010  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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We used to use stainless steel chests for storing infrequently used copper molds. To abate any chance of pitting or damage I just sprayed the stainless with a light coat of polyester resin (AKA liquid fibreglass resin). It's a long chain synthetic polymer basically impervious to anything and can be UV stabilized as well with an additive if required.

Any usage of Stainless Steels for anything should be investigated as to the ASTM ratings. There are virtually many hundreds of types of Stainless Steels. Some are actually non-magnetic due to the composition. Such are used for medical supplies and for operations work well. Some will actually Stain, rust, tarnish, etc. Many of the SO CALLED Stainless Steels flooding into our country from certain other places list on their products Stainless Steel. This is usually the lowest possible grade allowed to be classified as Stainless Steel. As an example many knives from Pakistan are labled Stainless Steel and contain small amounts of dangerously poisonous substances but meet the bottom scale of Steel standards.
I really find it so amazing how so many of us attempt to find the perfect storage container for coins and those little plastic rolls work so well.
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 Posted 04/13/2010  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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when you say its dangerous what exactly do you mean? will you get electrocuted? explosion?


Absolutely the largest, biggest, most powerful implosion ever made by even a Volcano. Or nothing will happen at all.
By dangerous it is simply that if the situation is presented to create an electrical charge it will actuall happen at the point of contact of those metals. In most instances the temperature is to trivial to really make a large current of any proportions. In most instances a change of as much as 5 degrees will hardley make a noticable electrical charge but sufficient enough to record if the wires carrying the charge are well shielded, in the proper insulation and jacketing and in a continuous steel conduit.
What is being discussed is the fact that eventually over a period of time, at the point of contact, the metals will start to dissintigrate if the temperature changes are significent. And this too is dependant on the type of metals touching each other.
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