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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Either AU-58 (top of wing on reverse) or MS-64. Beautiful coin! :-)
Ben
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
1152 Posts |
I will tell you guys the grade it received, and the grader, after I get a few more responses...
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
2078 Posts |
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Originally posted by pattiewhack
I will tell you guys the grade it received, and the grader, after I get a few more responses...
I think if you tell the name of the grader we can be a lot closer like MS69 for some  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
2684 Posts |
I think Ageka's exquisitely detailed grading evaluation is definitive. I am certainly not knowledgeable in gold and, after his analysis, I won't even try. As our forum's acknowledged gold guru, Ageka has a fine eye for detail in gold coins. This coin should have been slabbed by no other TPG than PCGS, NGC (preferred), or ANACS (not sure about ICG's reputation in gold) given its value and the fact it IS a St. Gaudens. In any instance, it's a fine coin and worthy of special treatment and consideration. Pattiewhack, is this in your personal collection? If so, you have a treasure! OK, pattiewhack, you can give us the whole picture now...  Fred |
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 United States
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I do believe I've just sat at the foot of a Teacher. Very enlightening.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4589 Posts |
Bravo Ageka. I also agree MS-63 but depending on what service it could go higher or lower. I would not be to suprised w/ A MS-64 though, As I am not accustomed to grading gold.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Thank you all
I try to help by indicating the areas I consider for grading
I have been photograding for 3 years now and still have problems detecting die repolishing effects( except on coins from South America where they are very pronounced when present )
Sofar me and my friend have been fooled only once by a photo ; with the coin in hand it turned out to be polished which was hidden in the glare of the lighting ( that is why I prefer scans or low reflection photos)
My friend prefers NGC on goldcoins too and sofar he got coins returned between MS63 and MS67 and we have had only positive surprises ( coin sliding one unit higher then we rated it )
We tried to make an MS65 collection of new English Sovereigns 1957 onwards but could not find coins for sale that came close so we abandoned that project ( allthough we had two from a long time ago which could make MS65 )
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1152 Posts |
ok funs over... I wanted to see what this coin would receive from half-decent graders...
this St. Gaudens graded SGS (of course) MS-68
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Rest in Peace
United States
2684 Posts |
Why would anyone in their right mind send a coin off to a carney-barker grader like SGS? Unless it originally came from SGS rather than as a submission.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Originally posted by pattiewhack
ok funs over... I wanted to see what this coin would receive from half-decent graders...
this St. Gaudens graded SGS (of course) MS-68
Above MS65 we should not talk about friction, rub and bagmarks but about how even and deep the strike is and how good the die was when it struck the planchet Above MS67 I think it is time to get the stereomicroscope out  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I have only two coins above MS-67, both ASEs: a 2003 PCGS MS-68 and a 2004 PCGS MS-69. I would need a scanning electron microscope to determine the differences between them, if any. It'd be nice if I had an ASE in PCGS MS-70, but I'm not gonna knock myself out looking for one. Besides, I'm not a believer in "perfection": dig deep enough with enough power and there'll be an imperfection. Fred |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
2078 Posts |
I have never even seen a slabbed coin cause they are not popular in Europe But the coins we photograded FDC (no blemish visible should equal at least MS 65 )all bought raw on some ebay in europe Most came back from NGC MS 66 some MS 65 one MS 67 None came back in a bodybag (My friend is the slabbing type [:p] ) So my conclusion is that without extensive references to appreciate the strike and a steromicroscope it is not possible to photograde beyond MS65-66 on the pics one normally sees |
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Valued Member
United States
390 Posts |
I really like this section of the forum! It gives me a chance to learn things and try out what I learned to see how I do. I made my guess before reading the replys and thought it would be a 63 or 64, based on the wear. Ageka pointed out some areas I didn't even know to check (I still don't know what all to check really). One area I thought brought it down was the tip of the back wing of the eagle. The feathers look more worn than other parts of the wings (except the front of the top wing that was pointed out), but I don't know if that is a high spot or not on this coin. Very beautiful coin. What does it cost to send a single coin to PCGS to grade?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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[ What does it cost to send a single coin to PCGS to grade?
At PCGS, first one must join its Collectors' Club which, depending on the membership level is $49.95, $99, or $199 or find a dealer or someone who already is a member to submit it for you. Submissions for a single coin are $50 (Express service) and up. Below this level, submissions must be a minimum of five coins. NGC is about the samed, ANACS is somewhat less. http://www.pcgs.com/grading_list.chtml |
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Valued Member
United States
390 Posts |
Thanks for the info. |
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