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I agree except I have been running into a rather consistent discrepancy at coinfacts. I presume everyone is familiar with them. The top coin is labeled as being MS66!
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The first coin looks like a 65. The high points of the obverse are not fully struck, so they look "marked up". Also, keep in mind, you cannot see the luster even though these are great pictures. Luster plays a HUGE role in grading Lincolns. These huge pictures bring out every single, little hit. TPG's do not micro-grade, they go mainly by eye appeal. The second coin looks to me like a 63 or 64 at best. There's quite a few hits, especially on the steps. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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The top coin is labeled as being MS66!
"Labeled" by whom? Hand written on a 2x2?  I'd say it a 65 and a 66 only if it has glowing luster. |
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Labeled" by whom? Hand written on a 2x2? I'd say it a 65 and a 66 only if it has glowing luster. I thought I put a link in my post, is this the forum that you can't post links in? PCGS Coinfacts. Go to 1962 They only have one coin and it has MS66 "labeled" under the image. |
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True that the micro images will pick everything but the grading companies use x7 if I'm not mistaken and many of those hits would be seen under x7. I don't see better than 63.
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Out of curiousity I pulled a bunch of PCGS MS66RD and at a glance, I have several that are equally as banged up as the first coin in this thread.
Just so I am clear, the first coin at the top of this thread is graded at MS66RD according to PCGS
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The high points of the obverse are not fully struck, so they look "marked up". Interesting. When I look past that, the coin does look a lot better. Man, I have so much to learn. Still. Guess I need to go stare at some wheaties for a while. Sucks to be me. |
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If either of these coins grade MS66RD it's because the fields are relatively mark free, the strike is nice on both of them, and the luster is very bright on both of them. That right there sums up 99% of what the graders see when they take their five seconds to assess the grade of the coin. Remember that they rarely use more than 5X to grade, and the smaller makrs simply don't show up at a glance under minimal magnification. They look at the strike, the luster, and for any obvious marks in the fields...that's it.
Now technically, the marks on the first one should hold it down to MS64RD. The second coin has a much better chance of being accurately graded because there aren't any noticeable detracting marks until you blow it up to 1000% like this image.
BTW, if anyone here took these images, they are very nice.
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The second coin has a much better chance of being accurately graded because there aren't any noticeable detracting marks until you blow it up to 1000% like this image.
The steps look like they were used as a cutting board. That's a prime focal area. I could see those with the naked eye. |
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A prime focal area it might be, but that's a rather minor blemish, especially when you consider the clean fields. That's the FIRST part that matters. The steps being chopped up is the only reason that reverse would not grade 67. Have you seen now soft the steps are on most 1960-1963 cents? This one has a superb strike.
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BTW, if anyone here took these images, they are very nice. PCGS took the pics of the first coin, the second coin are my photos of my coin. I use PCGS photograde and coinfacts a lot to periodically sort catalogue coins that were left to me. I do know in chatting around that there are a couple of coins listed with a different grade than is actually on the slab - so it might be possible that the '62 on their coinfacts is a typo. The early memorials are and have been steadily picking up in the last few months. I have noticed it mostly on whole roll prices. So I decided I would look a bit into the memorials I have. Honestly, at this point, I think I am going to put them away for awhile and stick with the wheaties. I am toooo confused :) |
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Have you seen now soft the steps are on most 1960-1963 cents? This one has a superb strike.
On 60-63 as well as many more issues. I'm obsessed with Memorial steps my friend! For me, that's one of the big challenges with my Memorial collection....full steps. I seek coins with full and complete steps just like the nickel collectors. I think it should be designated on slabs just as it is for nickels. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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The early memorials are and have been steadily picking up in the last few months. I have noticed it mostly on whole roll prices. So I decided I would look a bit into the memorials I have. Honestly, at this point, I think I am going to put them away for awhile and stick with the wheaties. I am toooo confused :)
Well, collecting Memorial cents will absolutely wear you down. I don't even mess with slabbed coins because they never meet my standards and I don't much care for how the TPG's grade them. |
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