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Need Help Grading This One - 1883-S Morgan

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 Posted 01/19/2011  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Looks good to me and I agree with MS63.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
I think this is better than 63, at least 64.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list
The arc of the nose looks backwards to me and the bridge of the nose where the brow and nose meet makes an indent I'm not comfortable with. nlp
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 Posted 01/19/2011  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kempire to your friends list
The nose and chin don't look right to me. Also, the liberty looks off, especially the E in liberty. Try to get better pics.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list
The nose does look a little funny, but it could just be the pictures. That's why I like to see coins in person before I purchase them...
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 Posted 01/19/2011  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Never, ever buy a coin like this with no returns. Picture quality is too poor to gauge authenticity or grade. You can lose a FORTUNE on a key date like this; how much is he asking? How did he grade it?

If you do buy, assume AU-50 there are some problems poking through that lousy picture (weak breast feathers, weak points on hair, chatter peaking through on chin, some photo doctoring/enhancement likely...)
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 Posted 01/19/2011  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flashinm to your friends list
Thanks for the help folks. I won't bid unless I can get some better pictures or it sells for cheap.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list
If you want a 1883-S, before you buy, compare it to other 1883-S that are top tier graded. In the 28 days of Morgans there is a PCGS MS 62 graded 1883-S. Compare it to your coin.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Liberty's profile in front of the eye does look a little odd. The 3 in the date seems thin and misshapen at the bottom. I'd want to closely compare this coin with photos of certified examples before considering a purchase.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
This one is a $4800 coin (retail) in MS-64 so I seriously doubt someone would be selling one, unslabbed, with poor photos... More than likely it has problems that the carefully crafted photo is concealing
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 Posted 01/20/2011  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I am very worried about the 3. This is a coin quite rare enough to motivate the morally-challenged to alter an 1888. If you push me to call it, I call it an altered 1888. The bulbs on each end of the 3 are too small, and too far from the point in the center. The entire lower curl doesn't please me.

Not to cast aspersions on the dealer (yet); there are too many acceptable reasons why they might not know. Dogpile the coin if you will, folks, but withhold judgment regarding the seller until there is solid evidence.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
Sorry I'm a VAM noobie.. but the S looks set right tilted left?
I didn't any thing like that? new find? some things don't look correct... not sure? any
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 Posted 01/20/2011  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Possibly an 1883-P with an added "S" ?
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Possibly an 1883-P with an added "S" ?


That's a far tougher job than altering an 8 - the S is sharp in the middle of what looks like a pristine field.

With that said, the pics aren't of sufficient resolution to make any concrete conclusions. With an unmistakably Mint State coin of this conditional rarity, though, I'd be very, very leery of buying one raw. A proper evaluation of the dealer is imperative.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
This coin as it is shown,, reeks of questions, and needed to know answers....ITs not a known die state...WHICH reeks.. if interest...and the photo's represent no close ups...for determing analyalisis...yet here we are? FAST auctions result in lost money....let's think about this..
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