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Odd French 10 Centime On Ebay

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 Posted 12/14/2014  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveJonesy to your friends list
I have one of these that my Grandad left me in 1987 and which I dragged out of the box. Originally I thought it was a locket but figured without a clasp that was unlikely - thanks for the extra info.
Great craftsmanship and you can see the tooling marks and the centre line marked for the hinge.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oij82b79...ins.jpg?dl=0
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 Posted 12/14/2014  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
SteveJonesy

The first of the hollow coins I ever saw was a screw top 1797 Copper Two pence. Since then I have seen hundreds and I still own a dozen or so. They are very interesting. Looks like your 5 Centimes may have been made by the same craftsman that made mine.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveJonesy to your friends list
Thanks swamperbob ;-)
Mines a 10 centimes the same as yours and certainly look like they were done by the same workshop if not the same craftsman. Very cool ;-)
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 Posted 12/15/2014  04:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing 'swamperbob'.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list
I have one of those - it opens up to reveal a photo of Queen Victoria.
No idea if it's original or a later production.

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 Posted 12/15/2014  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
andyg Does your copy have traces of a suspension loop on the top - looks like there is something there.

These could easily be a form of trench art if they were done crudely - these are too nice and are machined. They may be early mechanical imitations of that art form that were made for the collectors market of WWI collectables say in the 1920's. But since trench art dates back to the mid 1800s they may have been made for a war earlier than WWI. They may even be a form from the Sudan era since the same coins are used.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list
no loop - it's a mark on the table where I took the dodgy photograph :)

I say photo of Queen Victoria - but it's not, it's an embossed card picture.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Good - I have not seen a suspended version. A man's pocket piece makes much more sense especially for trench type art. A memento from home for a soldier off doing his duty.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveJonesy to your friends list
Nice Andy. They obviously lend themselves to that, and a lot of them were probably used for that, but I suspect it wasn't the original purpose as the best part of 2g has been milled from the coin in total and the inside and underside of the lid have been milled out using smaller and smaller bits to create a concave surface so the actual hollow is relatively deep and overkill for a picture.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
When this was done with silver coins (very popular with 8 Reales) the purpose was silver theft and the metal removed 2/3rds of the weight paid for the labor. Bronze however even in the 1860s was not all that valuable enough to recover much more than to pay for the work needed to extract the bronze.
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 Posted 12/16/2014  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
The French name is "boÃŪte de forcat". They were made by prisoners to smuggle contraband. Good ones aren't cheap.

http://www.cgb.fr/un-decime-dupre-g...92205,a.html
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 Posted 12/16/2014  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveJonesy to your friends list
Cheers for that thq - got more good results by image searching Google for that and some quick Google Translating of the French sites. Much appreciated.
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 Posted 12/16/2014  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list
Mine is flat inside - and other than a piece of paper nothing much would fit!

The earlier pieces were much bigger - so could be drilled out to leave a useful cavity - The best coins for this were Cartwheel 2d as Swamperbob wrote earlier.
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 Posted 09/30/2016  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wiseman to your friends list
I have a bit of a question about this
Here at home we have a coin almost identical to the one shown here, except for a few differences. It has bees worn down a lot more and has a different picture from this one.
My family got the coin as it was passed down by my grand-father to my father, the current owner. My grand-father got the coin from his father, who collected coins as he travelled the world for his job, and who liked to collect coins. Where the coin originated from is unknown to us but there is a history that's been passed down since my great grand-father found it. Supposedly this story came from the person he got it from, but there is no way to confirm it and I would appreciate it if anyone could confirm or deny it.

The portrait in the coin is supposedly tsar Nicholas 2, the last tsar of Russia. The coin belonged to russians who fled to France the persecutions against the followers of the tsar in Russia. There they founded a secret society of those who still followed the tsar and was they needed a way to show that they belonged to the society(to show each-other so that the others would know that they were in the same society). In this need they made these coins. Inside the old Napoleonic coins they put a hidden picture of the tsar as their sign.

As intriguing as the story is I would like to know whether itīs true or not. The two main issues are that I canīt distinguish if it actually is the tsar or his cousin, Georg the fifth, who looked very much like his cousin. The second problem is that I canīt find this story anywhere on the internet, meaning that it might be false and somebody just wanted to sell a coin to my great-grandfather for a higher price.
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@wiseman, first wecome to CCF. Second, it would be helpful to post pics of your coin (in a separate thread). SwamperBob and some of the others in this original thread are still around, while others of us joined afterward.
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