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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Generally you will want to buy key or semi-key dates for popular series (Lincoln Wheat Cents, Morgans, etc...) in the highest grade you can afford.
Caveat: If the price escalates dramatically between say VF and EF, you are probably better off getting the VF example since that can indicate it is undervalued relative to its peer.
I'd advise against collecting common dates in high-MS. I tried that back in 2005 and so far it has been a money loser. Keys seem to be doing much, much better.
Bullion metals are a crap shoot. Gold and Silver certainly seem overvalued right now so future appreciation potential is probably quite limited. Most of the "instability" that has driven these metals higher is psychology. That can fade very quickly.
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Moderator
 United States
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The Obama coins are worthless. Stay away from anything on tv or in the mail. Investments, two words. Key dates.
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Valued Member
Philippines
386 Posts |
In my own personal perspective, I am more confident in going for gold rarities. Then Rare Silver coins are also a safe investments. But before going for the acquisition and buying thing, It is more practical to study the Rare coin first, its features, to include the background of its price and numismatic value. If and when the said coin reaches a high degree in your mind that you like the coin then go for most beautiful piece you can find and afford to invest at the moment.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
759 Posts |
acloco,
Seriously, Buffett said that? Must be the context, because that's exactly how he's made billions.
Anyway, Fredward, with all due respect, I recommend you fore go coins and bullion unless you have much more investment experience than your message implies. If you must dip your toes in the bullion pool, stay in the shallow end for now. I'd recommend 90% silver coins or perhaps common date half eagle gold coins. Best of luck to you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
842 Posts |
Best investment: Ancients.  Biased answer, of course.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
OneBowl - yes, he does do that, but he is not hedging his bet on an unknown. He buys companies on the known.
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Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
It's smart of you to be asking questions before spending your money as opposed to others who have been "ripped" off by many of those companies and so called "mints". As far as the obama coins, I agree with what others have said. They are generally worthless and will never be worth anything. I buy some bullion and some rare coins and I also try to stick with "key dates" "varieties" "high grade" and other unique attributes which for the most part help the coin keep its value or increase. But the MOST important part is not OVERPAYING and that takes a lot of research and patience. If you search high and low and wait for the deals, they will come and that's how you can come out ahead. If you overpay than you automatically lose in case you need to sell but by sticking to great deals then you will get your money back if you have to sell or if youre lucky the coins will appreciate in value as time goes on. As far as bullion and junk silver goes, I always restrict myself to paying 15-20% less than melt. You might think that to be impossible but once again it's all about patience and playing the waiting game (sleepless nights online  ). This way I have a cushion in case silver goes down and if I have to sell I can get my money back. The price of silver has gone up a tremendous amount in the past 5 months, if you look at historical charts there is always a "correction" after a increase and that is the perfect time to jump on the silver bandwagon but when will this occur is anyones guess and how much will silver go up before a correction? Who knows?
Edited by RealPeso 03/31/2011 10:01 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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THINK. If anyone here knew the answer to that, do your really think they would be spreading it all over the place. Think of investing as a horse race. You know who is going to win so if you ran around telling eveyone, the odds keep going down as everyone bets on that one. Same with stocks, bonds, mutual funds, coins, Beanie Babies, flashlights, etc. However, in some instances it works just the opposite. If everyone ran out to buy a 1909S VVDB Lincoln Cent, the prices would sky rocket until everyone realized it's to late. Then the prices would start to drop due to no one looking for one. Quote: - and I've heard a few negative reviews where people have bought their coins, only to try and sell them back later for a LOSS!? And that too is mostly normal. Any item can only be sold over and over so many times for a profit. In most instances you buy something and if you try to resell to soon, you may well loose. Of course I do have a great idea. You send me all your money. I'll attempt to invest it wisely. If I make a lot of money, I'll at least tell you about that. If I loose all your money, I'll tell you that too. Either way you loose.  
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Valued Member
United States
320 Posts |
OK, here's the $64,000 question:
What's your timetable? If you're looking a 6 months, you'll likely lose no matter what you get. Sorry, that's just the way it works. Unless you know a lot about coins, and can spot something for sale below market value, OR unless you're very lucky, you will be doing good to break even. Coins don't magically appreciate overnight, so it is extremely unlikely for the uninitiated to make lots of money in a short timeframe.
If you are looking at long term-- ie years or decades, key dates would be a safe-ish bet, because they only made so many of them and there's a steady demand. The last few years, key dates haven't done as well as they historically had, though, so go figure....
Bullion coins, it depends on whether you think the price of gold/silver is going up or down within your investment timeframe--- and on that score, if you ask 10 "experts" you'll get 11 varying opinions.
Proofs of silver/gold coins are good in that they combine numismatic value with the intrinsic value of the metal itself, but bad in that they cost more to begin with... and the idea is to buy low, sell high not buy high to begin with.
So the answer is as follows--- it takes a lot of knowledge to invest in anything, especially with a short timetable. Learn as much as you can before putting your money into anything. Education can be had right here on this site for free.
OR, if you REALLY want to know a secret, the best way to quickly make a small fortune is to start with a large one.
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New Member
United States
24 Posts |
I don't know if I would be willing to jump into PM's right now with a large investment. I walk into a local coin shop and but 1 Silver Eagle every week. Most the time if I make any side money or tax free money, I buy some silver. The only time I stray is if I need a new toy.
I don't care if I every sell any of it. I collect them and plan to leave it all to my children. If I acquire enough and the prices are at a level it could change the standard of living for my family I'll sell. Until that time comes I will just enjoy it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2424 Posts |
I have asked myself this same question. I think it's in the bullion precious metals thread, but anyway... But many before me have given you some great advice. There are few portfolios I have found with great trend sheets that give historical price trends for certain key date coins like many CC coins. Again, these are LONG term decisions and investments. Don't let the research discourage you. The data Is out there. Your local dealer may even shed some light on the matter. Even old Red Books through the years will show you how certain coins have performed. Some of the more higher portfolios had some outrageously expensive coins. And that for a lot of us is just unnecessary. Some of the books I found help you pit together a portfolio that can be done with a budget. For example if you so find a rare coin, ones that would be had for $400, would increase more steadily and at a greater APR than a coin for $500,000. That $400 coin might increase 10% in a 5 year period. And that $500,000 coin would only increase 3%. That gave me a good idea and encouraged me that I didn't havering go put a 2nd mortgage on my house. Like someone said, there is no real answer. Thee are no sure things. There are "safer" things. I personally would not go buy $500 in junk silver or .999 because silver is so volatile. In my opinion it would be safer for the long haul to try and get maybe the 1931-s LWC inning state. Those rarer key dates are not or ever volatile as silver.
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Valued Member
United States
320 Posts |
So, I just read the link about midas coins... and here's the thing on coin dealers (as opposed to coin shops)-- coin dealers are the ones hyping about inflation and how the world is going to collapse and so you better buy their stuff. I liken them to used car dealers. A car is on the lot, it's pristine, it was only driven to church by the little old lady, etc etc etc. You buy it, a month later go to sell them that same car, and suddenly yours is a piece of junk that they'll "take off your hands" for $100 trade in toward that next wonderful car they have. Coin shops on the other hand are different. Both will buy low and sell high, because they both have to keep their lights on and employees paid, but one is for the unwary who listen to their late night infomercials on talk radio, and one is for the hobbyist who knows a little something about what he's purchasing. You can still lose money at a coin shop, don't get me wrong, but you won't generally see the 50% markup issues, because customers going into a coin shop are generally more well-informed and they know they can't get away with it. But never, ever go purchase from somewhere that has doom-and-gloom ads on talk radio or late night infomercials. That's a sure sign you're going to lose your shirt. Never buy from somewhere that is hawking one specific coin over all others, as this is usualy going to be the one with the highest markup. Never purchase from somewhere with high-pressure sales tactics. SO.. if you're going to go to a retail establishment always go to a coin shop not a coin dealer... look for BBB ratings, ANA memberships, etc. Do your research ahead of time, maybe do some comparison shopping and AVOID the type of place mentioned in that post. A few other items of note: -Any US coinage that is colorized or otherwise "decorated" is going to lose value. US mint does not do colorized (yet?) and 99% of US collectors view after-market colorizing as damage, not as something good. -As a general rule, any coins not minted by the US mint or other recognized governmental entities are going to lose value (This includes Franklin mint, national collectors mint, et al). Certain other mints you might do OK, like Canada for instance, but positively do not buy a set of coins from some other countries like Liberia. (Don't ask me how I know about that, my Liberian $5 coins that I paid $5 each for are worth about 8 cents) -Any "flavor of the month" coin-- ie Obama coin, or Tea Party coin, or Elvis coin, etc is almost assuredly a loser. -Never buy something brand new which is marketed as a "collectible" or "commemorative" coin from the getgo (the sole possible exception would be direct from the mint, but even then is iffy). Commemoratives, even those purchased direct from the Mint, often trade at or near bullion value. Proof sets tend to drop or minimally appreciate. SOME proofs from the US mint are good, but as a whole I'd stay away. -personally I would never by an ETF, because there is some speculation that the companies putting them out do not have the physical metals to back them up. -If you're looking at this from an investment perspective, remember too that you have to add in other fees such as storage fees (or safe deposit box fees), and then taxes if you sell them...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2602 Posts |
I agree with key dates being the best bet, within coins. Best overall investment, however would be stock market. I do not think precious metals are a good buy with them being at or near historic highs. Once the economy turns around, you will see precious metals decline.
As for the weakness in key dates last few years, this is due to the economy and folks having to sell their collections to make ends meet. I think this is very temporary and it will turn around.
Key dates generally have a decent long-term return because there is demand and low supply. But is the return as good as stocks or mutual funds? I don't think so, but depends on which stocks, MFs and which key dates you go after.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
759 Posts |
Note: He's asking about investing in precious metals by way of coins and is located in New Zealand.
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New Member
 New Zealand
2 Posts |
Thankyou all for your advice, I wasn't expecting such a good response! So a lot of you recommend 'key dates' - again being new to this I don't want to take my lucj with a google search, which are the best places that list (value) / sell key dates coins?
By the way the best reason NOT to invest in precious metals appears to be an economic recovery, which while we all hope for this, I believe its more likely to go the other way, with America not having much of a manufacturing base, expensive wars that only escalate (Libya!? you gotta be kidding me!) and ultimately a national debt that is technically impossible to pay off. That last point is key - the total wealth produced by the US each year is not enough to pay off the INTEREST on the national debt. This is the sun-sized elephant in the living room.
So I think its a very good bet to invest, especially as precious metals will always be worth something, in any economy. One of the few guaranteed holders of (at least some) wealth.
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