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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Thanks for all of the input, it really helps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
500 Posts |
I'm also very new to the scene. My favorite new shop, because they paid me a fair price for junk silver, offers me a loupe everytime I want to see coins - so that is obviously fine etiquette-wise. After selling them a lot of silver, I have bought a few Walkers out of their "AU bin" and looked at some other coins. I made them a couple offers they didn't take but I don't think I'm being annoying YET. I do make sure not to ask a lot of questions when they are really busy - I've seen the owner "snap at" some people who pester him with stupid questions when he's measuring gold and working with a "hi dollar" client.
I've also bought "supplies" - even in small quantities - so as not to be window-shopping-only every trip.
IMO, it is the absurd customers ( ones that argue about worthless coins ) or annoying never-buy but ask a million question types they probably would get most tired of.
I hear ya on the etiquette tho. I do feel that is the right attitude - not wanting to be a pest/nuisance/"that guy" and it is such a missing element in a lot of walks of life these days - rudeness and mememe prevails! Excellent topic!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Quote: ...at coins shows, where the competition can be just a few inches away  That's the nice thing about shows--it mellows out some "home turf rules" dealers have in their shops. Regarding loupes, I've met a few dealers (in their shops) who got testy when I pulled out a loupe to inspect raw coins. In those cases, their inventory showed a lot of cleaning/tooling--which may explain their reaction.  Good dealers shouldn't feel "insulted" by questions or scrutiny of their inventory. I buy the most from dealers who let me search through inventory with minimal hassle.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2049 Posts |
I used to work in a coin shop so I will throw my 2 cents in....
-Bringing a loupe of your own should be no problem -Making a counter offer to the listed price is usually ok but don't be a jerk about or low ball them. Dealers are in the biz to make a profit and not to hold merchandise they purchased and then turn it over to you for the same price they paid for it. So use good judgement, and be respectful about it. -Dont beat up dealers on pricing EVERY time you go in. We had a guy do that and he wore out his welcome very quickly. -Dont take up a good chunk of their counterspace while you cherrypick through wheats or junk silver. That keeps other customers from looking at coins in that area. -If you have kids, dont let them run amuck in your store. We had a few that did that including letting their kids leave candy wrappers all over the store.
I guess the common theme here is to be respectful and use some common sense. Treat the dealer how you would like to be treated. If they are grumpy time and time again, then it's time to find another store. Good luck!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2602 Posts |
I don't think a coin dealer/shop owner should be offended at all by a loupe. They do it themselves and if they have a love for the hobby like so many of us do, they would welcome it.
I agree with feeling the store out before trying to make offers. However, I do think most coin dealers want to move merchandise. It does no good sitting on the shelf collecting dust, so I think most are willing to negotiate. A few are not and you can take your business elsewhere.
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Valued Member
United States
262 Posts |
Worse thing that can happen to a dealer is he/she not make a sale, the worse thing that can happen to you is you walk out the door.
It's nice being the buyer!
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: Can I bring my own loupe? Loupe? As long as it's not a garou, that's fine. I had one guy ask if he could bring in his stereo microscope. Paid me full Unc RedBook for a 67 IHC missing most of one of the words, and lots of detail on the back. It was AG details.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
One thing never to do, and that's try to steal a customer. That's the fastest way I know to get thrown out of a shop or a show. I don't care if the dealer's offering $5 for Morgans or you were offered $20 for a coin that the dealer is showing a similar one for $100, either catch the guy before or after he sets foot on the dealer's property.
I was at my friend's pawn shop one day when a guy brought a station wagon full of DVDs and other goodies. I would have gladly paid more, but I'm not paying his six-figure overhead or carrying a million dollar inventory.
When they were done, my friend turned to me and said "we don't do toys, wanna see what he has?" I went to his car and bought almost everything at a few cents on the dollar.
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Valued Member
United States
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I have found that the shops I go to, are friendly and knowledgeable. I don't never have any magnify with me, but they always do and don't mind me using it. I almost always get extras with my purchase, so I don't try to do much dickering, once they know you are going to be a full time customer they will do things that will make you fill good about going back. I go to several coin shops and they are all the same as for working with you. Most are not just dealers but are collectors themselves. They are in business to make money and pay their overhead. Knowing about small business will give you in-site to what it takes to pay overhead and replace inventory. It is hard. I know I had a small business for three years in a shopping plaza. I try to support my local small businesses as much as possible. Saving a few cents or dollars is good but, if you can spend the little extra and keep it local you are adding to your own back yard. Just my opinion. Thanks Big Ed
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: One thing never to do, and that's try to steal a customer. That's the fastest way I know to get thrown out of a shop or a show. I don't care if the dealer's offering $5 for Morgans or you were offered $20 for a coin that the dealer is showing a similar one for $100, either catch the guy before or after he sets foot on the dealer's property.
This needs to be repeated as it is probably the most egregious offence you can commit in a coin shop(other than robbing the place...)
Edited by biokemist6 06/14/2011 11:36 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
797 Posts |
If I have been going to a shop awhile (at least 4-5 visits) I usually ask if he can do any better on something, especially if I am buying multiple coins. Sometimes I'll shoot an offer out but usually I justv ask if that is his "bottom dollar" price or whatever and see what he says. More times than not, he knocvks off a few bucks. I don't bother haggling on something that is cheap ($5-10 or so), but if it is moreI almost always ask. I have only been shot down a few times and even then I often still bought the coin. Now the one shop I go to, he usually shoots me a better price on a coin (without me asking) if I tend to look at it for while and he can tell I am really interested. As long as your courteous and fair it shouldn't be a problem...and if it is then I might not go back to that shop very often.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Don't feel privileged if you're not. There've been times where I had to bite my tongue because I wanted what a customer was trying to sell. I don't even bother nowadays. No one is above the rest. If I wanted to purchase from complete strangers I would take out an ad or start up my own store. Look at it this way. Those extra dollars you don't haggle for keep the place running and make the owner happy to take your business.
Edited by Libertad 06/14/2011 4:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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It is all about rapport in my opinion. At the coin shop I goto they were stand-offish at first but after several gold/silver purchases they treat me like a king, and will negotiate now. I managed to pick up a tube of Eagles a month ago at $.50 over spot and they were charging other $3 over. IMO flea markets can still give you the best deals, at least the one here by me. Oh and if they give you crap about your loupe tell them to anger and go else where, have never had a problem with that.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19968 Posts |
1) Introduce yourself, you should know each other by first name. Try to use his name a few times in conversation. Let him know a little about what you collect. If knows what you're looking for, he can help direct you to what he has. 2) Make it obvious that you're not a thief. If you have a coat, take it off so there's no pocket games. Keep the stuff you looking at right on the counter in plain view. Don't be reaching in your pockets or doing anything suspicious. Unfortunately coins are pretty easy to steal and dealers lose lots of money to scumbags. A good relationship comes with mutual trust. My favorite shop owner would often leave me all alone while he went to the bathroom or to the storage area to get stuff for me....complete and total TRUST is important. 3) Buy stuff! Everytime you go in if possible, buy something even if it's just supplies or a $5 coin. Make yourself a regular, paying customer and you'll get special deals and perks. Never buy anything big right away, it's best to become a customer first and pay asking prices. When you're ready to spend bigger $$$, then you can negotiate as a "regular". 4) Bring your own magnifier and price list. It's absolutely fine and shows you're savy collector and serious buyer. Don't expect to pay CDN bid prices! They have expenses and usually sell above CDN ask in my experience. Of course, a lot depends on the coin, some coins just command more $$$. 5) Don't fight his grade not matter how wrong it is. Of course, coin prices depend a lot on grade, but it's insulting to the dealer to question his grade. I've found 99% of them get mad when you try to downgrade them. It's just better to pass on a coin when you think the grade is wrong. The good thing, this works both ways! I've seen a good number of undergraded coins and snagged some awesome deals! Whatever you do, don't tell them they undergraded. LOLOLOLOL Just shutup and say you'll take it. Most dealers try to be a "jack of all trades" and know every coin series....well....very few of them are experts in all series and they make mistakes in their haste to resell. So happens I'm pretty darn good with Lincolns and I can capitalize when they under grade/under price. It doens't bother me at all because I know for sure they won't sell a coin for less than they have in it. They're making money from me....just a little less than they could have if they knew Lincolns well enough. LOL 6) HAVE FUN! Looking at and buying coins shouldn't be all business. Once you establish a friendship with your dealer it can be fun to just go in the shop and hangout for an hour or two. I often bring my favorite guy a bottle of water and a candy bar or something. He works long hours and really appreciates when I bring him stuff for the stomach. It's really amazing how much you can learn by hanging out at the shop, observing what's going on and looking at stuff.... even outside of what you collect. My dealer is partners with 4 other guys that visit often and they are a trove of experience and knowledge. Over the years I've learned SOOOOOO much from all of these guys just by hanging around the shop. It's like a free university of coin dealing/collecting! I consider every trip a learning experience. I'm so close with my main guy he digs stuff out of the safe to show me, like a $100,000 Rolex or all the returned coins from NGC/PCGS that were bagged. That's actually by far my favorite part....we routinely discuss bagged coins and I look over them in detail to figure out why. It's also cool when he pulls out a big dollar key dates that he just got back from being slabbed. He lets me look at all those! VERY, VERY COOL!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
500 Posts |
Some very good advice and experiences in this thread! I agree with most of it and that "hanging out" and eavesdropping is a learning opportunity. I particularly pay attention to how the owner interacts with regulars. Quote: I almost always get extras with my purchase, so I don't try to do much dickering Not sure what "extras" you get, that is interesting. Like what? I went today during a "slow period" and asked for "best price" for several "waves" of coins that I was interested in. The clerk I was working with went through the owner, who cut the list prices on every coin I asked about by at least 18%. 25->20 21->17 35->26 28->22 etc. No haggling required, and while they were obviously overpriced to start with, I was surprised at the amount he was willing to reduce on every one. He'd rejected most all of my offers, and not quoted very much reduction, in the first 10 times I'd been in - nor had his wife or any of the clerks. I bought most of them today - as a result! I had asked about a few of them, or made offers before, and was quoted very little ( $1-$2 ) if any discount typically so I had passed - or had my offers declined. Last week, I dealt with a different clerk, on a busy day and had asked him about the $21 1957 Franklin proof, for example. I asked if he could do better than the 21 listed, he took it and pondered awhile ( he did not ask the owner who was very busy ) and then offered $20.5 as "the lowest I can go" saying it is a desirable proof and has $13 of silver in it besides. I passed. Then today it's offered for $17 by the owner. Maybe asking for quotes on a slow day, and for 8-10 coins, is a better tactic, sure seemed to work today! It also may have helped that the only other customer was a regular looking at pretty much the same denominations and years that I was. Keep the good advice rolling folks! THX 
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