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Another View On Silver

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 Posted 06/25/2011  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add reupman to your friends list
wait 100% by 2015 umm at 10% for lets say mutual funds per year plus dividends you'd make really close to that without the worry of falling silver prices or the loss of the barrick mines in Peru in 4 years is the loss of those mines going to make people like me sell just before you take profits?
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 Posted 06/25/2011  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
If mutual funds paid anywhere near 10% a year, I'd be in them.
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 Posted 06/25/2011  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list
Sjuggerud doesn't really express "a view on silver" -- unless you could consider the obvious observation that it could go up to $49 again the expression of a view. He's touting a stock, Silver Wheaton. SLW has a p/e ratio of 30. That's cheap? No thanks. I can see buying the metal itself, but there are too many variables that go into a mining stock's price for me to jump in based on the possibility it could go back to $49 sometime by 2015.
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06/25/2011 4:33 pm
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 Posted 06/25/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Yeah, I like what Gartman http://www.thegartmanletter.com/ says about it...if you're bullish on silver buy the metal not the mining stock.
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06/25/2011 4:50 pm
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 Posted 06/25/2011  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list

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Yeah, I like what Gartman http://www.thegartmanletter.com/ says about it...if your bullish on silver buy the metal not the mining stock.


Do you have to be a subscriber to read that? What does he say?
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 Posted 06/25/2011  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Yeah he has a newsletter that is subscription only but you can get a free trial. He's on CNBC "Fast Money" show all the time, so that's where I get his opinions.
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 Posted 06/25/2011  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Silver Wheaton *could* be a buy but due diligence would be required before coming to that conclusion. I agree with others who point out the 30+ PE ratio. That is not "cheap", IMHO. Not with the S&P running at a PE of about 12.

As to mutual funds not averaging 10%... before the decade of dual recessions (2000-2010), mutual funds that mimicked the market were up over 11% annually for the prior 60+ years. Yes, that can change and it did. The 2nd half of 2002 through 2007 were some very good years for a lot of funds. 2008 pretty much stunk for everything, although there was some PM action then. The 2nd half of 2009 and all of 2010 were pretty good years for most mutual funds. Like a lot of investments, these are things that are good to own but perhaps not good all the time. But then, what is? There have been times when PMs were flat-lined for decades. Stock guys refer to that as "dead money" because it isn't doing anything. Not that I wouldn't want to own some PMs most of the time but let's not kid ourselves that there is ANY investment that works great all the time. There isn't. If there was, *I* would be in it!
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 Posted 06/25/2011  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
In fairness, he points out that a drop in the metal can wreak havok with the stock, so the fundemental position is that the metal will rise. SLW is just a recommended way to play that rise, like buying options on the commodity or ASE.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
If you are always buying, you will be in good position when the right time comes to buy....
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06/26/2011 01:51 am
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 Posted 06/26/2011  03:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list
I do not see silver and gold as an investment. I see silver and gold as money. Cold, hard money.

Platinum, palladium and rhodium. Now those are investments.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
I, too see silver and other metals even nickels as investments. Now even the Greeks are investing in both Silver and Gold to make sure they have real hard cash. It's not even their own currency and the Greeks are doing this. So that tells me something.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
The Greeks are rallying to do whatever they can to get some fingers plugging those holes, even if it means selling their land. Might be too late for PM's to save them now, but the ones that "weather the storm", may be better off for it in the long run....
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 Posted 06/26/2011  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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It's not even their own currency and the Greeks are doing this. So that tells me something. - Angel2004

It's good to watch what the people who are close to a situation are doing. Years ago, Mexican banks were paying 30% interest on passbook savings deposits. My folks had several thousand dollars on deposit there, which was quite a lot of money in those days. One day, I read a Wall Street Journal article on the increasing number of Mexican citizens who were sending their money to Nicaraguan banks for deposit. At that time, there was a civil war going on in Nicaragua, so it made me pause and think about what is it that the Mexicans knew that we here in the US did not? I advised my folks to pull their money out of Mexico, which they did... grudgingly. About 2 months later, Mexico devalued their currency, which would have reduced their deposit significantly.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Note that those high-interest accounts require thedeposit be denominated in the country's (deficient) currency.

As Ed sed, the problem is devaluation.

For example, you take $1000 USD and the peso is three to the dollar. Your account is not $1000, it's 3000peso.

A year later, you have 3900peso after interest. If you remove it and change back to $, you have $1300, a great return.

Odds are, you leave it and make another year's interest. You now have 5070 peso, 69% more than when you started.

When you go to remove your money, you have to exchange those pesos back to dollars. There was a 50% drop in the value of the peso, you now need 6 pesos to get one dollar.

Your 5070pesos will now give you $845. Two years of 30% interest, compounded, and you now have 15.5% less than you started with.

The reason they'd give you 30% is to turn their pesos into dollars, figuring the peso was going to pot. It's very similar to turning dollars into PM, figuring that when you sell the PM, you'll get a lot more dollars than you started with.

If you borrow the money to buy PM, you pay it back and now have a bunch more dollars than you started with.
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 Posted 06/27/2011  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Exactly right, Fred. Most people in the US never think about currency devaluation, although we should have many a time! The US dollar floats on the world currency markets, so is revalued every single day. What this means is not much on a daily basis. Over time, though, it adds up to quite a bit.
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