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If you purchased 40 Morgans, and this clown sent you Ike's, he should be charged with felony fraud charges. This is what I am talking about, where are the Feds when this nonsense happens! He should spend some time in prison.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with Vermontensium. If he posted that he was selling 40 morgans and you got Ikes, he should be charged for fraud and be sent down the river.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am going to take the stance that the coin shop owner did nothing wrong. I worked in and ran a coin shop, and time is money. With the wealth of information concerning these coins available on the internet and through trade publications (ie RedBook, coin price magazines, etc), it wouldn't be too hard to put something together from a well recognized source showing the difference between the two. So not only is it taking up his valuable time with nothing to show he is going to gain your business (you said yourself you dont go there often and you did your buying somewhere else) then he has every right to decline your offer. As someone else pointed out, that is litigous society so who's to say that something he put together with his shop name on it won't come back to bite him for a libel claim of some sort. My point is this...until you have been on the other side of the counter (i.e. you are the owner of your own shop and put in this situation) you can't really accurately see his side of the story or see why he would decline your request. Edit: with that said, that's really unfortunate that you got burned on the deal and are now having to fight to get it corrected. It amazes me what some will do to make a quick few dollars. 
Edited by CoinHunter53562 07/18/2011 7:52 pm
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Feds and coin collecting :o Sorry, just realized something! But, this guy should still be busted somehow, bigtime.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: As someone else pointed out, that is litigous society so who's to say that something he put together with his shop name on it won't come back to bite him for a libel claim of some sort. Again Paypal states that Third Party information will not be released. Short of somoene getting a court summons and a supena for the release of the statement it wouldn't come back to him. Yes his time is valuable, but like I said I have bought coins from him before and would have again. Let just say he said, "yeah I'll type up a letter" I would be in his shop waiting the whole time it was being done. I think like some other have said I am just more upset with the attitude of the guy. I also do not know why the name of the shop was removed. People here have asked questions about coin shops before and people have said bad things without them being removed. Oh well, I will let it go. I found another coin shop who didn't have a problem typing up the letter. I will visit him tomorrow and I am sure I will buy some coins. Maybe some Morgans :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Again Paypal states that Third Party information will not be released. Short of somoene getting a court summons and a supena for the release of the statement it wouldn't come back to him. While this is true, he has no way of knowing what the true purpose of the letter is as you are not a regular customer. He built up his business and he needs to protect himself, even if it sounds a bit far fetched that it could come back to haunt him. Quote: I think like some other have said I am just more upset with the attitude of the guy. Understandable....if the guy was being a jerk and a snob about it, that's uncalled for. He could politely decline your request and leave it at that but didn't need to be jerk about it. Unfortunately there are alot of dealers that wont give you the time of day unless you are spending 1000's a month with them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I hope you get a favorable response from Paypal.
As I see the letter act as a verification to continue processing claim, the case can carry on. I be interested what the outcome be from Payapl.
And I would look at it with a different perspective, it's another lesson you have just learn from life. Now, if the first dealer would agree to type up the letter for you in the beginning, would you go back and buy some coins from him?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:So if a member sells something on ebay what is to stop him from sending my IKEs? ebay is a safe marketplace if you do your due diligence. ebay also has safeguards in place to protect both buyer and seller and punitive measures for violations. PayPal's integration into ebay auctions makes for a more secure transaction as they can see all aspects of the sale. For a transaction outside of ebay, PayPal only sees a transfer of electronic funds for an undetermined purpose. For all they know, you sent the guy some money for his birthday ebay also allows for refunds, especially in the case of an item significantly not as described. Quote: I guess if I take your advice we should never do a transaction on CCF then. CCF is also a protected marketplace, even moreso than ebay. IMO, there is no safer non-retail site online to buy and sell coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I see a lot of different opinions here. Mine would be, you were the one that was there. If you didn't like how you were treated, then of course you have the right to not do business with him in the future. But of course the shop owner should have the right to do business the way he likes, even if it costs him future business. Seems like it would not have been to hard to get someone to type up a letter stating what the price of 40 Morgan dollars would have been on that day, and what the value of the 40 Ike dollar you received. Not sure what you paid but, on July 8th I bought two rols of mixed Morgan and Peace dollars for $1120.00, I think 40 Ike dollars will be worth right around face, unless they were 40% Ikes. So the difference will be over $1000.00, not sure but isn't that a felony. If you have not done it, I think calling your State police department would be on my list.
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Valued Member
United States
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I just read all three pages of this thread. I read when he first posted this and commented how messed up this world is. But I think I've learned my lesson just from reading all of this. I hope this really works out for you and just because one person doesn't do something for you doesn't mean he's a horrible guy or business or whatever. Look at what happen to you, you were nice to this guy to do an transaction off of ebay and look you got screwed. It's just everyday people watching there back because it really is hard to trust people out there. I hope you keep fighting and get this guy who thinks he can get away with this transaction.
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 United States
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Along side fraud, yes, I think Grand Theft may come into play here (if he stole over $400 from you, which he did basically) Penal codes vary from State to State.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I have filed mail fraud with the USPS. I will let them take actions they see necessary. Quote:For a transaction outside of ebay, PayPal only sees a transfer of electronic funds for an undetermined purpose. For all they know, you sent the guy some money for his birthday ebay also allows for refunds, especially in the case of an item significantly not as described. You can specify what a transaction is for in paypal. please see below. Paypal payment echeck I sent: 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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One of the many, many reasons I avoid ebay and other one line situations. Way to many similar situations. Sort of a shame there is no way to find out just how many happen like this one all the time. Many people just accept the loss and move on. That only helps those that continue such situations. As to the dealer's attitude, as already noted put yourself in his position. He just doesn't want to get involved with people he doesn't know. To many law suits from things like that. And although PayPal CLAIMS no one will find out who he is, remember all those hacker stories now going around. If a hacker can get into our government, what is so secretive about PayPal that they can't get into those too. Since now found someone that will write that lettter, and if PayPal accepts that, let us know how it all works out.
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Valued Member
United States
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I dont blame the coin shop dealer for not getting involed. But there is a right way and a wrong way to say it. Were I live the dealers I deal with all have ebay stores as well as storefronts. 1 of the dealers is a big time guy who is hardly in his store. He is always at the major shows nice guy and good people working for him. Hopefully you get your money back and the other guy gets a couple of nights with bubba/tyrone. LOL
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:So if a member sells something on ebay what is to stop him from sending my IKEs? I don;t know if members know this or not but ebay and payPal are owned by the same company now. ebay just has a feedback system. Whenever you file a claim through ebay it sends you to payPal. I guess if I take your advice we should never do a transaction on CCF then. I can actually answer this question because I have had to deal with ebay on this situation before. I purchased an electronic item and when it got here it looked legit (kind of) but I already knew this item was very heavily counterfeited and there were pictures of the difference in packaging and other accessory items. So when I got the item I found they were actually fake. I filed a claim with ebay and the seller responded that they were not fake and that he had proof that he sent them out and had delivery confirmation they were received so my claim was with ebay itself not with the seller any longer. ebay wanted me to get a written statement from a retailer that sells the item or some "expert" that these were in fact fake and once I did provide them this information ebay gave me my money back under their "buyer protection plan". The way the ebay representative described it on the phone as I was talking to him is it was part of their protection plan that would be paying me back, they would not get their money back from the seller because he had the proof they required him to have even though the dispute wasn't that I didn't receive it
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