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I think this coin might be an ancient imitation attributed as: DIVO CLAVDIO CONSECRATIO Altar altar with flames above, dot in crescent on front Chateaubleau hoard 120 R ancient imitation From helvetica's list It's very small about 7.9 mm. The smallest coin I've seen. Do you think this attribution is correct? As always comments are greatly appreciated.  |
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I just purchased a large lot of barbarous radiates and should have them by the first week next month. I think I saw some in the lot just like this one so I will post to compare coins when I get them.
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Thanks Jess,
There is another one listed at helvetica's, that has no flaming altar, but I'm not positive about this one.
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When you get the large group of barbarous I'll bet you are surprised just how small and how crude some are. There are some that are almost like the officials and some much smaller and worse than this one. I'll be interested in seeing the group.
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There are some that are almost like the officials and some much smaller and worse than this one. Doug, do think my attribution is correct on this coin? It's the only one I saw with a crescent and I wasn't sure about the dot. Edited by Doucet
11/18/2011 11:07 pm
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You can see one of the reverse types just like yours and its very similar. Here is one of the pics from the lot I purchased  |
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I am getting more pickier on the coins that I buy and changed the way I purchase. I like the original patinas so I am going to buy better quality coins from now on. I didnt have any of this type and saw a few other members post theirs and since I am copying some of the members on here because they know their coins I figured I wanted to save time and money in the long run so I just bought this lot of this type and it might be the last but we will see how they turn out. I also bought some silver and copper coin lots too but wont be getting my coins till the first half of next month. I will be posting some nice coin I hope. Had to put some of my better coins up for auction to make up for the money I spent this month.
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11/18/2011 11:41 pm
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jess
That's an interesting lot of barbarous coins.
The one like I posted, with the altar does have a crescent, but I don't see a dot.
The little one to the right and below that altar coin might be quite small, as dougsmit suggested.
I think the one buried on the far left bottom might turn out to be very interesting and the one buried just left of center too. There is one there that looks like Tyche, in the back ground.
Nice lot........looking forward to seeing them not all piled up after you get them.
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Style wise I'd have to say the original coin was official - size wise I'd have to say unofficial. Its either an official that has lost quite a bit of meat from its circumference or a very faithful unofficial coin. Difficult to say, I would guess at the former rather than the later. This is my only Claudius II barb:  10mm Obv: 'III III' - Right radiate draped. Rev: '-' 'T' either side of alter.I prefer to think of these coins as 'unofficial Roman issues' - they would have been very official to the people who needed to produce them (either during shortages or when the Romans left an area) and use them. I also like to think that the style changes are due to initially the copying of official coins, then the copying of those copies, then the copying of those copies etc over the years, decades and even centuries that followed. |
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I believe little differences make little difference when it comes to these unofficial coins. There is nothing to say that there were not many makers over many years so we need not be too surprised that there are little differences like a dot or crescent. I would like to know the actual span of time that these were made and used but am sure they lasted long after the men shown on them. As far as the OP coin: This looks closer to official than many and the portrait even looks like Claudius with no evidence from legends or reverse. He is the only one that used an altar during this period so the question of this copying Claudius is pretty certain.
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Well, that's two opinions leaning toward official. In my search I found no Claudius II coins with alters that looked like this one. Eventual saw the description I used above at helvetica's list. Unfortunately there is no picture there. As far as size and wear are concerned , I examined the edge of my coin and noticed the two spurs opposite each other. There seems to be little wear on them. I don't think they would be there if the size of the coin was due to extensive wear. I think it was made at this size. Here are ones at 20mm....and 16mm showing detail being lost on the flan.  20mm  16mm  8mm I don't know if this means anything but it's kind of interesting. Thanks for the replies. I seem to have a knack for finding coins that I never definitively know what they are. I have a little pile of them now. Edited by Doucet
11/19/2011 11:15 am
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