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 Posted 11/10/2011  8:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What? I couldn't help myself for another nice coin... Managed to win this one in an auction. AE3, RIC IX SISCIA 27b, rev is Roma seated, with the legend CONCORDIA AVGGG. I love the bust of Val II on the obverse.

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 Posted 11/10/2011  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having kept away from everything post Constantine since I started collecting I've just started buying a few unidentified late lots. I doubt any will be as round and well stamped as your though. Attribution wise I suspect I'll be a newbie again on them when they arrive!

Nice coin Jango.
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 Posted 11/10/2011  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like you, I like the bust of this coin. Great Val II and great pick up
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 Posted 11/11/2011  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. I just love these late Roman coins. They're cheap, plentiful, and have great designs.
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 Posted 11/11/2011  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, they usually don't come as well struck as this one.
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 Posted 11/11/2011  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlosV to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, from my vault to yours!
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 Posted 11/11/2011  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the coin Carlos, and
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 Posted 11/16/2011  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just got it yesterday :
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Very nice in hand just as the pic shows (click photo to enlarge).

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 Posted 11/16/2011  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your picture is better than the seller's. Nice.
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Nice bust - very youthful looking.

I guess it would be considering he only ruled between the ages of about 4 and 21!
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Thanks guys!
And bobby, about the youthful-looking bust, well that brings me to a question: how are they able to tell if a Val coin is Val I or Val II? Would it be that if the bust looks young, it would be Val II?
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On these coins I dont know Jango, my knowledge is zero unfortunately - I've only just started picking up coins that date from after Constantine to increase it and eventually get to the later Byzantine coins that echizento has got me interested in.

TBH I'm finding a lot of confusion with them - I bought 4 'Constantius Gallus' coins last week and three of them turned out to be Constantius II. I've also received a lot of 'Constantius IIs' that were Constantine I or IIs.

I would guess that most can be IDed to the correct Emperor with the legends but yes, in cases of clashes its the bust styles that are the key.
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 Posted 11/16/2011  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A trick: At that time it was considered a sign of higher station if the obverse legend on your coins was broken with a gap over the head. Valentinian I was never less the #1 full honors Augustus so his legends are always broken. Valentinian II was a kid when he was made Augustus and most of his coins show a continuous arc of legend with no break at the top. He had some broken ones near the end but by then they were all reverses never used by Valentinian I. Starting with Valentinian's dynasty they stopped making kids Caesar and gave them the full title of Augustus but the legend splits show whether a coin comes from the time that the ruler was actually ruling or just a 'name' on a coin. This trick also works for Gratian whose first coins are continuous and last ones are split legend.

The best way to identify any coin of this period is to look up the reverse type and see who used that reverse. You need not consider a ruler who did not use a type so you can often narro it down to a couple or three with little effort. The easy place to do this research is Warren Esty's site:
http://esty.ancients.info/ricix/

Constantius II types were used by his Caesars Constantius Gallus and Julian II who were always shown with a bare head and a legend ending in some abbreviation of Noble Caesar. Julian's name is different enough that you can usually get a letter or two and know the coin is his. Gallus is only confused with Constantius II by those who forget that any form of diadem or other headgear means the coin belongs to Constantius II. I am shocked at how many dealers have trouble with that one.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the nicest V2's I think I've ever seen - great find
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 Posted 11/18/2011  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!
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 Posted 11/18/2011  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In light of all the recent coin price-guessing, I'm curious as to what you all would guess on my nice Val 2. Thanks! :)
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