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1825 Half Dollar Grade Opinions Please

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I have no idea what to grade this piece as. It has some original luster in spots. I am just after an opinion by those in the know. Thanks.
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Details look VF maybe VF+. The coin has been cleaned and/or over-dipped and hopefully will re-tone a bit over time.
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I will disagree with BH1964 to the tune of about 5 grading points; I think strict details make this an XF coin. Agreed on the surfaces, though - this one ain't original and I'm afraid that under different lighting it'll look brushed pretty harshly.
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The problem with my picture taking abilities, at present, is that they do not show a lot of the original luster in spots on the coin.


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...afraid that under different lighting it'll look brushed pretty harshly


At the risk of sounding totally ignorant to the obvious, I am assuming brush marks would just be parallel lines on the surface?

If so, I cannot find these on this coin as I was originally concerned about that. However, I also admit I am not knowledgeable about such things and appreciate any info I can get.
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I think this would grade at VF-30,cleaned.
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At the risk of sounding totally ignorant to the obvious, I am assuming brush marks would just be parallel lines on the surface?


Exactly. I am seeing what might be evidence of this running from northwest-southeast on the obverse, and from northeast-southwest (closer to vertical) on the reverse. Reverse is more pronounced.
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Thanks SuperDave, I see what you mean. When I get this in hand next time I will have to look at these areas again. I hope it is just my lack of photography skills/lighting (if that is even a possibility in this case).
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It's very much a possibility that lighting is the culprit - it can exaggerate what we'd call a "cabinet rub" to the point where it would look like brushing. Your best bet is to get the coin into direct sunlight, and use your calibrated eyeballs to make a determination.
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vf details, cleaned.
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I am thinking EF details/cleaned.
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looks better than VF details. Agreed cleaned.
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VF-35 cleaned
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The obverse on this coin is XF details for sure. the reverse is more like VF details, but could be the result of a soft strike. Definitely cleaned though. If this one were mine I'd put it in a coin envelope and let it re-tone.
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Is the missing base of the second T on the REV indicative of a weak strike ?
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This is an O-112 variety. The weak T is characteristic of the variety, as is the solidly-joined AME in AMERICA. I'm currently looking at a PCGS MS62 at Heritage which shows the same weak T, as well as the same relative softness of the lower reverse.
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Thanks for that info SuperDave. I like being able to specifically classify coins.

So could you also be able to enlighten me as to how a weak strike impacts overall grading? If this one looks VF on the reverse, is it truly a VF considering the weak strike?

Also, where could I get a list of the classifying markers for this coin just b/c I am nosy and want to learn more?
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