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Original Maria Theresa Thaler?

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 Posted 06/02/2012  2:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hollywatertower to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm totally ignorant about this coin; I'd appreciate any and all opinions. It was supposedly found at a Pawnee Site - Republican River in Webster County Nebraska.

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 Posted 06/02/2012  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzarmarko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think about it this way, no matter how a 1780 Thaler looks, its ALWAYS a reproduction. Sorry friend. :(
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If a real MTT, it's a post-1853 restrike.

This site is the most useful tool for information about known MTT variants; as far as I can tell, by their classification system, your thaler has a type "e" saltire (simplish cross after one dot), which, together with the S.F. signature, leaves only one possible option: modern restrike (post-1853).
Your coin certainly looks like it's from the earlier part of this period but it's not an "original" if that even means anything. Sorry.
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kind of cool looking but damaged either way
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Is Tsarmarko saying that the Austrian Mint did not produce any Maria Theresa's in 1780 (as legal money)?
That's not the way I hear it!

(Not talking here about their later productions of restrikes).


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Is Tsarmarko saying that the Austrian Mint did not produce any Maria Theresa's in 1780 (as legal money)?
That's not the way I hear it!

Part of the problem is, back then, there was no "Austrian mint". Back in 1780, Austria had half a dozen mints, each issuing slightly different designs on their thalers. The "normal restrike" MTT is a Gunzberg mint design, but none of the distinctive features of modern restrikes (S.F. below bust, Burgau arms in lower right quadrant, AVST instead of AUST) are known to have all been used on Gunzberg coins actually struck in 1780, though several versions with all these features are known to date before 1800. There are plenty of 1780 thalers about that actually were struck in or very shortly after 1780, but they look distinctly different to this.

As for the item in the OP, I can't say I've heard of them being used much in a Native American context. They're far more commonly encountered in Arabia, the Red Sea coast and East Africa. The treatment given here, with a crude loop attached and some beadwork, reminds me of the ornamental treatment often rendered to these coins in Yemen, like the elaborate example in this old thread.
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Thank you everyone for your expertise!!
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