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 Posted 10/28/2012  6:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MrwmnHtr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello Everyone,

I am not sure I picked the correct thread for these questions but it seemed to be the logical choice. Please repost in the correct thread if I chose wrong.

I am not a coin collector. But I do have 18 ounces, and counting, of "junk" silver coins for barter in case the worst happens. And I have a 5 gallon glass carboy that I have been throwing change into for many years. It's almost full and it's almost time to redeem them for fiat paper money.

Since I have to roll them all I thought I should go through them and pull out any of value. I have pennies, dimes, nickles, and quarters. Silver coins are easy to pick out. (edges are different, they sound different, pre-1964.) I doubt I have many coins that are older than 20 years but I'd hate to miss that "one."

My plan was to just look for important dates to pull out, roll the rest and then later to more closely look at mint marks, etc., of the ones I pulled.

Then I thought a wise man would ask people that are experts in this field how best to do this so I don't have to gain "experience" by doing it wrong once or twice.

What dates should I look for in which denominations?
What is the most efficient method for searching?
What else do I need to know before rolling them?

Off topic: My girlfriend has collected 4 sets of State Quarters for her children except that after going through hundreds of quarters that she hadn't come across any from Tennessee. (We may find them in the carboy.) Is this just a fluke or is there more to it? Are Tennessee valuable and expensive?

Thank you,

Randy
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 Posted 10/28/2012  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For pictures, descriptions, values, etc of American coins, there are 2 books -- "Guide Book of United States Coins-The Official Red Book" and "Handbook of United States Coins-The Official Blue Book" -- published annually by Whitman. Red book=more and better pictures/descriptions & blue book=more realistic values. They'll give you a good handle on what to look for as well as answers to lots of other questions. Available @ Amazon, local bookstores, coin dealers & coin shows. Also look through the all the threads in this forum. Lots of answers here.
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 Posted 10/28/2012  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To put it simply, 99% of all coins out there aren't worth more than a few cents over face value. That said:

Look for:

As you stated, silver. This is any quarter or dime prior to 1964, any half prior to 1971, and any nickel from 1942-1945.

Any 2009. These are not worth much now, but were the lowest mintage across the board since about the 1950's. Nickels in particular are rare, and pennies are more common (except the one with the Capitol being built, which is very rare).

State Park/ Territory quarters. This is every quarter 2009-present. They have extremely low mintages, and will probably be a good investment opportunity.

1998-2000 Wide AM cents - these were made with the wrong reverse, and there is a small gap between the A and M in AMERICA (in normal cents, the letters are touching). Compare this to a penny from 1992 or earlier for a reference - they should be the same if you have a Wide AM. These are worth $5-20 on ebay.

Old nickels. This is up to you to decide how old/new you want to go, but 1938-1955 is a good place to start. You will find lots from 1964. These are worthless. 1950-D is the most rare, and will fetch about $6 on ebay (but the odds of finding one are literally 1 in a million or higher). As a general rule, anything from 1940-1952 or so will be worth about 15-25 cents, and will be about 1/150 of all your nickels.

Obviously, anything foreign/discontinued. You can toss Canadian coins if you want, or keep them for your girlfriend's kids. You will most likely find a couple wheat pennies, mostly from the 1940-1958 range. Keep them or toss them, it's up to you and they are only worth about 2-10 cents each.

Pennies 1959-1982 are 95% copper, and as such are worth about 2x face value for their copper value. This will be about 25% of all your pennies. You can sell them in bulk on ebay, roll them up with the rest, or keep them, but keep in mind it's a felony to melt them.



As for rolling, you might want to consider finding an automatic coin counter that you can use. Some banks have these, and some will give you a gift card for no penalty. If you want to roll by hand, I found it is more efficient to sort all of the coins by denomination, and count out 5 coins at a time - psychologically, this is the largest number you can accurately count at a glance. So,
Pennies = 50/roll = 10 stacks of 5
Nickels = 40/roll = 8 stacks of 5
Dimes = 50/roll = 10 stacks of 5
Quarters = 40/roll = 8 stacks of 5

If you want to get really lazy, all coins will have on average the same diameter. This means that you can make stacks of however many you want (say a stack of 20 pennies) and build up another stack next to it until they are even. You might gain or lose a few cents per roll, but I used this method to compensate my friend for about $15 worth of copper cents I kept out of roughly $800 worth of loose change that they were taking to the coinstar.

Also, there are two types of rolls: the ones that the teller will give to you looking like stacks of paper, and ones that the teller will give to you looking like shotgun shells. The latter is easier to fill up if you have the choice between the two. If you are stuck with the former, build up your stacks on a desk or flat surface, stick your finger in the roll partway, stack the coins on top of your finger, and roll both ends at the same time when you are done. This will save you a lot of fighting with getting the coins all aligned correctly.

Hope that helps and good luck! Be sure to post if you find anything!
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 Posted 10/31/2012  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrwmnHtr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank Finn & Freddy,

@ Finn, This was the exact knowledge I was looking for. This will make an otherwise boring task much more interesting. I hoping that with a 5 gallon carboy that we end up with a couple grand in cash when we are done and a couple great finds. I will be sure to post all my finds here when complete. Thank you guys.

Randy
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 Posted 10/31/2012  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1999 Wide AM's can be worth well over $100 if they're nice enough. Just a quick note of correction for one fo the above posts.
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 Posted 11/01/2012  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, something I forgot to mention... since zinc doesn't hold up well in circulation, it might be a good idea to hang on to any older zinc pennies you come across. They aren't worth much now, but BU zinc cents might be a big collector's item in 10-50 years when our current supply is largely unusable. I went through a large number of jars that my grandfather had been saving up since the 70s, and I found several dozen pennies from the early 80s in nearly uncirculated condition.

The reason for this is not only are zinc cents not as resilient to circulation as copper ones, but they will degrade over time. The early warning signs of this is a coin that looks like it's covered in goosebumps... this is the copper and zinc separating because of a slow chemical reaction.

You can spot older zinc pennies by their relief (older coins have details come up farther from the background surface (field) of the coin), and because older cents will turn a distinctive whitish-yellow, whereas copper cents will turn a brilliant red.

These are only worth about face value today, and will probably stay there for at least 10-30 years, so keep accordingly.

Also, an unknown number of 1982 cents are zinc rather than copper. The switch was made in November of '82 if I remember, and the Mint did not keep records for anything but the yearly total. From my experience, about 5-10% of all '82 cents are zinc. They do not fetch any significant premium, but you can tell the difference by look (they will be different colors) or by tossing them (heads or tails) and listening to the sound it makes.

Ring= Copper
Thud= Zinc

Also, if you are looking to build a collection from this, you might consider hanging on to some coins that will be harder to find later.

Pennies:
1968-1974S- These are the lowest mintage until 2009, with 1968S being the lowest. Look for the S below the date.
1960 P&D large/small date - Look up pictures online for reference. Small date is less common, but only carries a premium for 1960 P.
1970-S small date. Don't waste your time researching it unless you have a 1970-S, but if you find one, congratulations on your $30.
1982- Seven total variants: Large/small dates in copper/zinc from both mint marks. All 1982-D small date are zinc. As a rule, copper is more common than zinc; large date is more common than small. None are worth much, but most albums will feature holes for the varieties.
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 Posted 11/02/2012  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2009 lowest mintage? Around 2 billion pennies were minted that year.

MrwmnHtr, I use a checklist of what coins hold the best value and search each denomination separately. Being new to this, expect to spend at least 30 minutes per 50 coins you search. Take your time and understand what you are looking for. I like the book "Strike it Rich". I just got back into roll searching this year and have already found a 1999 WAM and had it slabbed. That was the highlight of my year and the best find in my life so far. Most days I find nothing good and unless you enjoy looking at coins, don't bother with it, you'll eat more of your time than its worth. Once you start, you may catch the fever.
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 Posted 11/03/2012  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chzman, 2 billion is not an accurate representation of how many pennies were minted in 2009, as far as collectors are concerned. Remember that the mintages are divided between mintmarks, and in this case, the 4 face types.

The lowest mintage for 2009 was "presidency" Philledelphia at a little under 130 million


Also, the fact that those faces were minted for one year only means their totals will ALWAYS be low. The total number of LMC that are essentially the same with different marks is staggering. Even wheat cents have a large overall quantity. But when you think about it, 2009 P Presidency is pretty rare when you factor in relative quantities of replicated faces.

THAT is why people hoard 2009 cents!
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I was speaking about the total minted compared to how many we see. About 2 billion total is what I was saying and its pretty close to the total of all 2009 cents minted. We should be seeing more in circulation than we do and that was my point.
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I see. I thought your point was that they were not low mintage. Most coins in that year were low due to the economy.

Fun fact, comparing nickels in 2009 and 1964, 1964 had about 31 times as many nickels minted. "That's ridiculous"</Mike Berbiglias voice>

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The mint confuses me and their web page is not user friendly at all.
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 Posted 11/03/2012  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not for the mintage, I just mean in general, when trying to buy some coins but thanks.
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