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 Posted 12/03/2012  10:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cursive to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Where others have failed, I hope to succeed! There is no roll searching thread for small dollars (Susan B. Anthony, Sacagawea/Native American, and Presidential dollars), probably because the denomination itself is unpopular. But the recent hearing on replacing the dollar note with the dollar coin has inspired me to care about the small dollar, and so here we are.

A second purpose of this thread is to catalog what exactly can be found in circulation rolls of small dollars, to get an idea about what's easy to find and what's hard to find. This is information that might be useful later when determining key dates, etc.

So, when looking through rolls of small dollars, what should one look out for?

In general, all San Francisco coins
All 2012 coins

Susan B. Anthony dollars:
Wide rim 1979-P
The date is slightly closer to the inner rim in this coin
All 1981 coins

Sacagawea and Native American dollars:
2000-P "Cheerios" reverse
There is extra detail in the eagle's tail
Low mintages (>10 million) for all 2002-2007 and 2008 P Sacagawea dollars
Native American (post-2009) coins are all lower mintages than the Presidential dollars of those years.

Presidential dollars:
Various edge lettering problems, notably Washington dollars without edge lettering

I'll start with a roll I got today:

2x 1979 P SBA
1x 2000 P Sac
1x 2000 D Sac
1x 2007 D Wash
1x 2007 P Wash
1x 2007 P Jeff
1x 2008 P Quincy Adams
2x 2008 P Jackson
1x 2008 P Van Buren
2x 2009 D WH Harrison
1x 2010 P Pierce
2x 2010 P Buchanan
1x 2011 P Andrew Johnson
2x 2011 P Grant
3x 2011 P Hayes
1x 2011 P Garfield
1x 2011 D NA
1x 2011 P NA

I've decided to keep the SBA's and Native American coins, because I don't have any SBA's or this Native American design. I'm intending to spend the remainder of the coins. Eventually I'll start collecting good-quality Presidents, but when I get a folder or something.

Also, this thread is a for me, as it's my 50th post! Maybe as a gift, this thread could last for as long as the searching threads for the other denominations?
Edited by cursive
12/03/2012 10:25 pm
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 Posted 12/03/2012  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCentMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ahh, you beat me to it. Glad I won't have to do the brunt of the work. Unfortunately with the way you have it set up I won't be able to get the data I was trying to achieve. ): Do you think you could list how many BU coins you got and which coins they were? If you do that, I would definitely take part in this thread! Just got some more small dollars today. :)

For Sacagawea's, I'd also look for Experimental Rinse coins (more common than cheerios dollars), and also Wounded Eagles.
Edited by TheCentMan
12/03/2012 10:18 pm
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 Posted 12/03/2012  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cursive to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All but 6 were BU: the 2000-D Sacagaweas, the P Washington, the Jefferson, one Jackson, one Harrison, and one Hayes. The 2000-D Sacagawea has a strange texture and a dark brown color, so I guess I'll keep that. The Grant was slightly darker in color than the others? Maybe? I don't have the best light right now, so making a real determination might be difficult. None had significant wear, and even the non-BU coins had a lot of luster left.
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 Posted 12/03/2012  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCentMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! I'm specifically trying to figure out how hard it is to find certain coins in BU condition as I have noticed a trend in the later dates being harder to find in BU condition. I think this possibly has to do with the fact that the mint stopped the Direct Ship program so the newer coins don't make it to circulation as much, as they now cost a premium (from the mint). In the past the mint would sell you $250 Dollar Coins for $250 with no shipping, but people decided to abuse that system so they added a fee ($26). I'll post again soon, I haven't search today's dollars yet. I'll combine Saturday's & Today's results. We're posting raw results, correct?
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 Posted 12/03/2012  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cursive to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, because there is so much variety in this series, and there aren't that many coins in a roll.
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 Posted 12/04/2012  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCentMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alrighty, here's Saturday and Today's run, found a 2000-P that might be an experimental rinse, I set it aside:

Total // Year/Type // (# BU)

2 x 1979-P SBA (2)
9 x 2000-D SAC (2)
13 x 2000-P SAC (2)
13 x 2007-D James Madison (13)
1 x 2007-D John Adams (0)
1 x 2007-D Thomas Jefferson (0)
2 x 2009-D James K. Polk (0)
1 x 2010-D Abraham Lincoln (1)
3 x 2010-D Millard Fillmore (2)
1 x 2011-D Rutherford B. Hayes (1)
1 x 2011-D Andrew Johnson (0)
2 x 2011-D Ulysses S. Grant (0)
Edited by TheCentMan
12/04/2012 01:18 am
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 Posted 12/04/2012  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenChest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ill.start checking them as soon as my bank get some dollar rolls in.
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 Posted 12/04/2012  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*flies in* Sorry to interrupt, but--someone at work mentioned this getting rid of the bill thing to me, and I thought they were referring to outdated info from 2008. Could one of y'all link me to this new thing?
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 Posted 12/04/2012  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cravenfan07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been searching loose dollar coins for a few weeks now. My wifes grandfather is trying to complete a circulation set of them and so far I have knocked his few wants down even further. It is fun for myself as well - tracking down oddities and what not. Finds thus far:

1971 Ike
2005 D Sacajawea
2005 Loonie
2012 D Chester Arthur (both face up and face down lettering)

No 'S' mints, yet. Hope to run through some banks tomorrow after work!

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 Posted 12/04/2012  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
*flies in* Sorry to interrupt, but--someone at work mentioned this getting rid of the bill thing to me, and I thought they were referring to outdated info from 2008. Could one of y'all link me to this new thing?
Do these threads help?

http://goccf.com/t/134979
http://goccf.com/t/135064
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 Posted 12/04/2012  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, thanks! Not sure I trust the Fox News link (as a former journalism major, there's a whole lot Fox News does that makes me want to beat them collectively about the head), but it should at least provide an overview.
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 Posted 12/04/2012  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason this coin thread didnt take off before was because searching small dollars isn't very popular. But who knows, maybe it'll gain popularity. I think it will eventually, but not for a few years.
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 Posted 12/04/2012  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCentMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to disagree with you there. Yes, they may not be popular to serious collectors in general, but there definitely are collectors out there. Their numbers are tiny in comparison to Nickel, Dime, and Penny Collectors, but then again they've all had at least a decade to gain in popularity.

Have you ever shown someone (who doesn't know anything about coins) one of the new small dollars, let alone a collection? Most people haven't even seen a Presidential dollar and are usually quite fascinated by them! I've gotten a few people to take up coin collecting from them. :) I think one of the main reasons for the new dollars not being popular is the fact that there is literally no public knowledge of them. The only people I know who are aware of their existence are coin collectors, and people I have shown them to.

Also, I think it's a GREAT time to start getting small dollar rolls from banks! Due to the large amounts of Presidential dollars sitting in vaults, they decided (I'm not sure if it's concrete yet) to cancel production of them. Also, they no longer offer the direct ship program so the only way they can be ordered is with a premium added to the price ($275 for 250 coins). All of this is added up to the Presidential dollars becoming extremely more difficult to find in circulation. They're already selling for ~$3 in BU condition (which isn't hard to find, usually half of the coins I get from the bank are BU).

On top of all this, they each have interesting errors that are quite valuable considering how new the coins are. Not trying to sound rude, but it isn't fair for every new collector to be told that they aren't popular (I see at least 1 or 2 in every thread where small dollars are mentioned). Obviously they're gaining popularity (slowly, but surely!) & they might continue gaining momentum if people stop trying to discourage others from collecting them. Just my 3 cents. No hard feelings!
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I like the idea of a dollar thread I dont think many people do them as nothing much to find except for ikes and if you are trying to complete a set...i remember when they first came out everyone wanted them and they were fairly easy to get from a bank in town as they would order rolls for customers but lately when I have asked they wont do it anymore as they said it has lost popularity with them stop making them for circulation...i personally would rather see the dollar coin take off and for the US to get rid of 1$ bills as they are always just nasty and never last long in circulation...would also like to see a 2$ coin like canada and euro
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I do not think we have ever had a Small Dollar (or Dollar) Finds thread attempted, at least I cannot find one from the past. Sure, some general discussion, but nothing like the other monster threads.

So, get to work, people. I want to see this at 100 pages of finds by spring.
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 Posted 12/04/2012  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCentMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes master.


Not many there today at the bank. Found my first UNC Grant, I don't think I'd call it BU as it's significantly darker.

Total # // Year/Type // # BU

1 x 1979-D SBA (0)
5 x 2000-P SAC (1)
2 x 2007-D JAMES MADISON (2)
1 x 2007-D GEORGE WASHINTON (0)
1 x 2007-D JOHN ADAMS (0)
1 x 2008-D MARTIN VAN BUREN (0)
1 x 2011-D JAMES GARFIELD (0)
1 x 2011-D ULYSSES S. GRANT (0)
Edited by TheCentMan
12/04/2012 6:36 pm
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