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Toning 1837 Half Dime

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 Posted 04/17/2013  4:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Scarp9603 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
i have an 1837 half dime that was bright white years ago when I bought it. NGC au58 holder. later it started toning and acquired a sooty black color. now it seems to be slowly changing, part of the sooty black is now a blue-gray, part is a goldish peach color.

how can this be?
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Slabs are not air tight, it is probably the area you are storing your coins that is causing it to tone.
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 Posted 04/17/2013  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CB gave one possible reason. Another could be the coin was treated with chemicals before it certified and the residues are causing the color change.
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 Posted 04/17/2013  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's odd that it turned black and is now reverting to blue and gold. That is the opposite of normal tone progression.
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Is it stored in a gun safe ?
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 Posted 01/27/2017  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it was bright white when you bought it, someone dipped it before submission. A significant number of dipped coins are not properly dipped, i.e. dipped too long or not properly rinsed or both. Dip residue, typically composed of thiourea and sulfuric acid in a commercial dip, can darken a coin over time.
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 Posted 01/27/2017  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scarp9603 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, at one time the slab was stored with some rubber bands in a TupperWare container.
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 Posted 01/27/2017  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Climate change and humidity do a lot of things to where you stored your coins.

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Agree most likely improperly dipped/rinsed before certification.
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Will NGC take a coin back and NCS conserve it if thats the case?
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Contact with the sulfur in the rubber bands may have played a factor, but most of this problem is due to dipping with an improper rinse and neutralization of the dipping chemicals. I don't know if conservation can save this coin now. It's probably too far gone.

This is one of the reasons why I like very old (10 + years) certification holders. If a coin has not gone bad in amount of time, chances are it's not going to go bad with proper storage. Barring an old holder, if you have the eye (experience and talent), you can very often tell if the toning on a toned coin is stable.

If you are buying white colored silver coins in a new holder, good luck to you. I don't know of any way to predict if something bad is going to happen. The only silver coins that are often seen with no toning are Morgan dollars and many Peace dollars. Anything else that old and bright white has more than likely been dipped.

The same advice applies to old red copper coins. Personally I don't like red copper for Indian cents and large cents. When I was dealer I got stuck on a couple of red large cents. They started to turn color in less than a year because they had been messed with to get the red color. That soured me on those coins. I won't buy them.
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The sooty toning appears to be getting lighter.
What's the prognosis for this coin?
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 Posted 01/28/2017  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fathead 5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Send it back to NGC, and ask them to evaluate.
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 Posted 01/28/2017  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The sooty toning appears to be getting lighter.
What's the prognosis for this coin?


I don't know how the color could be getting lighter with the coin still in the slab and not subject to some sort of treatment. This is the first time I have ever heard of such a thing. I think that sending it to NGC could be a good move. It woulld be interesting to see what they think and are willing to do about the changes you have noted on this piece.
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