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1922 No D?

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 Posted 09/05/2013  08:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add thusdayclub to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello. Can you help me with this 1922 Lincoln? I think it is a die pair 3 version, because of:

- second 2 in date is weaker than first 2.
- TRUST is weak but sharper than IN GOD WE.
- L in LIBERTY butts up against the rim.
- The reverse is slightly rotated counterclockwise
- Reverse is weak -- lower left part of O in ONE begins to
spread into the field as the die deteriotates.
- Mintmark ranges from Weak to No D.

All of these points are similar with my coin. Also, with naked eye and with different angles and lighting there are absolutly no trace of "D". Field where mintmark should be, is clearly flat, without any small bumps or dings. Only "problem" is damage between "9" and "2" at date, but in 1922-d mintmark position is lower. I took many pics, but they are not high quality. But as I said previously, with naked eye and under the magnifying glass, there are no trace of "D" - field is perfectly flat. Do you think I have a 1922 no D? Thank you for all opinions.

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 Posted 09/05/2013  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks right to me.
It is very worn, and that could fool me.

But I agree the die markers do look right for a die pair three, missing D

That is just my opinion .... There are a couple experts ... That I hope give you a opinion
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 Posted 09/05/2013  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks about right, but I can't help but notice what looks like a slight indention where the D would be. The coin is very well worn, but I would be suspicious of a removed mintmark.

Send it in for grading. If this is indeed a genuine "No-D", the grading fee is insignificant next to what this coin is worth.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thusdayclub to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm from Poland, so sending coin to grading is quite expensive for me, so first I want to take more info about my coin. Please tell me, if "at hand" and with magnifing glass surface looks good at "mintmark field", there are no major scratches or "dings", chance that this cent is no D version is big?
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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's got the correct markers for Die Pair 3 (weak D), but the smoother surface where the mint mark would be has me wondering if a D was removed.

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/...rieties.html

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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJHFL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One picture in particular of the close up area really stuck out to me as looking "different" as far as the wear pattern compared to the adjacent areas... and it just so happens to be where the mint mark would reside.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dbrablec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow...you guys are GOOD. after reading your comments and looking back at the images, there ever seems to be some color change where the mint mark could be. great observations, and good instructions/learning comments.
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 Posted 09/05/2013  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thusdayclub to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you show me where color is different? Maybe my eye's didn't want to see this:) Please tell me one more thing - if it is die pair 3, so it must be 1922 weak D or 1922 no D?
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 Posted 09/05/2013  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see the area some are talking about, but I would have to see the coin in hand to be sure.

To me .. and Lincoln resource center, only the die pair #2 is the no D, strong reverse.
If this is a die pair #3, it could only be a weak D or missing D. which should sell for a lot less then Die #2.

I still go with, if it has the slight rotation and the die markers I see .. there is a chance it is a Die #3
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 Posted 09/05/2013  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you have a winner!

Yes, the die pair 2 is the big dollar coin, but these are actually harder to find. I would get it slabbed to be 100% sure and to lock in it's value.
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WOW! great score!
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 Posted 09/05/2013  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucifer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Get it graded!
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 Posted 09/05/2013  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For you to try to send for grading from Poland, might not make it or might not be worth getting lost. Better to first try web sites dedicated to Licoln Cents such as http://www.coppercoins.com The owner of that web site has a few books out on just the Lincoln Cent. Also, there is a web site called the Lincoln Cent Resourse or something like that. Regardless, on coppercoins web site they are very helpful.
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 Posted 09/08/2013  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO it's NOT the most valuable variety, the "strong" reverse (die pair 2).
You are correct about this diagnostic, "second 2 in date is weaker than first 2" on this coin.

Even after eliminating the possibility of it being the "strong" reverse it still has significant value.
And I believe it merits having the pros determining which of the other die pairs it is.
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