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I'm new to searching the cents.. I've probably searched $20-25 worth and haven't come across a single 2009 of any variety. If I want to complete my album am I going to have to buy or will I eventually find them in circulation if I keep searching? How rare are they? I'm surprised that I've already filled most of 1941 to present so quickly... I did have a head start with a roll or 2 of wheats I've accumulated in change over past few years.

Another question. Any tips on identifying 1982 small vs big and copper vs zinc without weighing them?





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You can find most if not all of the 2009's.The 1982 SD has a smaller top of the 8 and you can do the drop test to see if it's zinc or not. The zinc will sound like a thud and the copper ones will have a high tone to them.
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I have lots of the 2009, not seen many recently, but you wouldn't want them unless you collect heavy circulated and filthy coins. I went through about 10 boxes looking and found the missing D ones in pocket change.

By lots, I mean maybe $2 worth, and they are mostly all blackened from zinc rot already. Funny thing is I ordered from some ICC or something a new penny book and got all 8 with it, and they were speckled when they arrived, AFTER I found a good looking on in change.

1982 I haven't even gone through all mine to find what I have and might need that link above to see what I even want to try to find other than the 4 I know of.

The more boxes of pennies you go through, the more 2009 you will find.
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That's odd that you haven't found a single 2009 cent after $25. I usually find anywhere from 5 - 10 per box. Just keep searching and you will eventually find them.
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The 82 small and large date are fairly obvious if you have them side by side. However, there are much fewer small dates, so it may take a while to pull one. Once you do you'll know.

As for copper vs zinc, I do the ring test.
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Thanks for all of the info! I'm enjoying searching cents. I'm going to try to do a box this week. I thought it was odd when I didn't get any 2009's with the high mint #'s. Hopefully there will be some in the next 2500 coins. I also think my issue differentiating 1982's could be that the 40+ I have are all large or small, but I know there is mix of copper and zinc to sort.
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I hoard all my 2009 and 1982 but iam weird like that
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Like others, I don't understand why you haven't found any 2009's. I usually find 8 -12 per box but there are sometimes I find more or less than that. Don't be discouraged. They're out there and you shouldn't be in a dry spell much longer. I'd be interested to learn that if after your second box you don't have a few.

If I remember rightly, I think that I have only a few of the capitol coin when compared to the others.
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From my experience, about 70% of '82 cents are the large date variety and about 90% are copper. I keep all the copper ones for my copper bucket and zinc ones either go in the reject pile or into my collection (hoard) if they are in good enough shape.

I still find 2009s in my change from time to time. The series is artificiallying rare due to hoarding--even I am guilty of having about $16-20 in BU rolls stashes away. The LP4 (presidency) is the rarest at about 130 million per mint if memory serves--about on par with 1930s production figures. In all my years I have found 1 P and 2 Ds. They are all out there, but finding them in circulation will not be a simple task.
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I'm going through a box right now and I've gotten 30 or so 2009's with several rolls to go. I haven't looked carefully at the distribution of the various reverses yet.

@Finn, 90% copper to zinc is about the ratio I've observed as well. I haven't done any analysis on ratio of large to small in the zincs only, but probably will do some rough numbers when I go through them to get specimens for my album.
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I went through two boxes of nickels last year without finding ANY 2009's; and found limited amounts of Lincolns (many in less than desirable conditions). Perhaps the government spit out another million 2009's from their vault since the last time I looked for then. I eventually ended up buying the nickels, and I got all 8 Lincoln cents as a bonus when I bought a set of State Quarters.

As far as the 1982 cents, I used a small jewelry scale to separate the copper from the zinc types. After that, I used my 3rd eye-ball to separate the large-vs-small dates. Before hand, I studied for hours how to exactly tell the differences.
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I'm closer to 85% copper and 95% large date
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It's a shame that the mint never kept track of how many of each '82 variety was produced... I would love to know the actual statistics. I read somewhere that they were only authorized to switch to zinc in about November '82, which would explain why ~90% are copper. What does not make sense is why there are any small/large date varieties within the zinc cents at all...why would they utilize the large date master die for so long, switch to the small date die, and then go back after the composition change? Unless they just made a certain number of each and switched back and forth throughout the year.
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I do think they are scarce. Low mintage plus a lot of people saved them because of the special designs.
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Another 1000 cents searched and not a single 2009 variety. Although it wasn't a great 20 rolls. 3 wheats 1944, 1951d (hole filler) and 1957d. 2 Canadian and 1 Bermuda, my first (1993). Lots of fun searching!
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