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New Member
Slovenia
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Hello everybody! I went to local pawn-antique shop and grabbed few big coins that looked interesting. This is Maria Theresa Taler. If my resurch is correct it's one of this: Hafner 63, 64, 65, 66. But I can't figure out few things, every taler has scripted edge, mine has groove cut edge. Also coin is magnetic, I was under impression this was silver and non magnetic? Diameter is 28,8mm. Any help will be appreciated.    Edited by Kemenb
11/24/2014 5:23 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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But I can't figure out few things,  ly you already have but truly
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Kemenb Tokenmast leaves out only the unstated conclusion. Your coin is a numismatic forgery. SO I am also sorry that you bought a fake. Maria Theresa talers were always silver and NEVER had reeded edges which your coin has.
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 Australia
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The reeded edge and the sticking to a magnet both mean that this is a modern Chinese steel fake. Sorry.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Hong Kong
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Kemenb, no problem, it is a fake. I bought the same one as yours a year ago from a Greek seller. I hold the coin as a teaching tool and agreed with half refund from the seller. I query it is from China? Too crude a fake from China!
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United States
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Based on what I see in these pictures the coin is likely Chinese in this case. The reason is the way the edge was applied. The coin was created first (probably by casting). Then it was run through an edge mill that damaged the faces of the coin while applying the reeding. That is typically a Chinese method.
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Topic StarterSlovenia
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Thank you for worm welcomes, that was really fast!  It appears all coins I got are fakes of silver coins. Don't feel too bad for me, for 3€ a piece I don't really care. I had enough fun searching forums yesterday. I will go and get some more, just to explore its origins. But next time I will have a magnet with me just in case if something doesn't stick to it. I'm keeping this as my first coin, rest will be sold/traded as fakes. |
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United States
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Kemenb magnets (sticking to coin ) are only 1 test that may get 1/2 of really cheap fakes. . How fast a powerful magnet slides off will find more, (slow is good )takes practice! Look up tissue test. Study why these tests work and when they do not. Have fun !! that is the important thing  |
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This fake is pretty easy to identify by eye.. no magnet needed. Key contradiction points. Has london mint tail feather formation( 1-2-1) but has script running up to the rim of the coin(only seen on 1932-35 Vienna mint coins or very early 1936-27 Rome mint coins). And even then thats too much unnecessary detail it just looks wrong!
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11/26/2014 12:52 am
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Hello tokenmast, Quote:
magnets (sticking to coin ) are only 1 test that may get 1/2 of really cheap fakes. . How fast a powerful magnet slides off will find more, (slow is good )takes practice!
I also use this method to check the content of Ag roughly. But I have a question about your tissue test. Dose it work with a darkly toned silver coin in your experiment? P.S. Not understand the meaning of "clad coin". |
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United States
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wonghinghi Ha ! not my test but I have tried it with silver and silver plate against off metal alloys, fun test! Dark silver I do not know. Clad coins = cu-pro-nickel obverse/reverse on copper core. Most modern US coins.= Cladding 75% copper, 25% nickel, core 100% copper. tissue test should work for OP's coin. A stuck magnet is hard to beat for simplicity. I use coins like this for a backup/keeper for arrays powerful enough to pick up US dollar bill. |
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Topic StarterSlovenia
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I tried the magnet test on 925/1000 silver coin. It's hotel Palace, Portorose, Slovenia, good luck coin for new millennium. Will post photo later.
Next time I'm on flea market I know what to look for :)
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New Member
Topic StarterSlovenia
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As I promised, this is my silver "coin".  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That tissue test is stupid. It will lead people to get fooled by plated coins. I think it should be removed from the numismatic dictionary altogether, it has more potential for harm than it does to help anyone. Any test based on luminosity is inherently flawed. A good magnet is much more useful and equally inexpensive as a box of tissue. Edited by Numismat
12/03/2014 3:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'd simply remark that it's ironic that the Chinese produce so many fakes and yet they're also the source for inexpensive pocket-sized digital scales that when used at point of purchase can detect those fakes and save the new collector from wasting money. If a seller won't let you weigh a coin, walk away.
Colligo ergo sum
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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^ the best deal for strong neodymium magnets is also from China. The irony is definitely real.
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