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Help With Identifying Maria Theresa Taler Restrike

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 Posted 11/25/2014  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list
This fake is pretty easy to identify by eye.. no magnet needed. Key contradiction points. Has london mint tail feather formation( 1-2-1) but has script running up to the rim of the coin(only seen on 1932-35 Vienna mint coins or very early 1936-27 Rome mint coins). And even then thats too much unnecessary detail it just looks wrong!
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11/26/2014 12:52 am
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 Posted 11/25/2014  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list
Hello tokenmast,


Quote:
magnets (sticking to coin ) are only 1 test that may get 1/2 of really cheap fakes. . How fast a powerful magnet slides off will find more, (slow is good )takes practice!


I also use this method to check the content of Ag roughly.

But I have a question about your tissue test. Dose it work with a darkly toned silver coin in your experiment?

P.S. Not understand the meaning of "clad coin".
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 Posted 11/26/2014  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list
wonghinghi

Ha ! not my test but I have tried it with silver and silver plate against off metal alloys, fun test! Dark silver I do not know.

Clad coins = cu-pro-nickel obverse/reverse on copper core. Most modern US coins.= Cladding 75% copper, 25% nickel, core 100% copper.

tissue test should work for OP's coin.
A stuck magnet is hard to beat for simplicity.

I use coins like this for a backup/keeper for arrays powerful enough to pick up US dollar bill.
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 Posted 11/26/2014  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kemenb to your friends list
I tried the magnet test on 925/1000 silver coin. It's hotel Palace, Portorose, Slovenia, good luck coin for new millennium. Will post photo later.

Next time I'm on flea market I know what to look for :)
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 Posted 12/03/2014  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kemenb to your friends list
As I promised, this is my silver "coin".

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 Posted 12/03/2014  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
That tissue test is stupid. It will lead people to get fooled by plated coins. I think it should be removed from the numismatic dictionary altogether, it has more potential for harm than it does to help anyone. Any test based on luminosity is inherently flawed. A good magnet is much more useful and equally inexpensive as a box of tissue.
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12/03/2014 3:42 pm
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 Posted 12/03/2014  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list
I'd simply remark that it's ironic that the Chinese produce so many fakes and yet they're also the source for inexpensive pocket-sized digital scales that when used at point of purchase can detect those fakes and save the new collector from wasting money. If a seller won't let you weigh a coin, walk away.
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 Posted 12/03/2014  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
^ the best deal for strong neodymium magnets is also from China. The irony is definitely real.
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 Posted 04/09/2023  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list
Interesting topic. I've got one of these but from a reputable British dealer who should've known better. It's the same size as an English five shilling piece, but still under weight. So I think it's a very old forgery designed to be slipped into a pile of Crown coins.
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 Posted 04/10/2023  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
spyto

I would like to see your coin - the edge and can you indicate the weight?
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 Posted 04/11/2023  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list
It's got a milled edge and weighs about 18 grams. Having trouble uploading pics but will do one as soon as I've learned how to. 28.8mm wide.
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 Posted 04/11/2023  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list
Oops! Should've said 38.8mm not 28.8mm. Sorry,gang!!!
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 Posted 04/12/2023  04:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list

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I hope these pics are ok. It's taken me an hour to see what should've been obvious in the uploading process!
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 Posted 04/12/2023  04:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list
The yellowy tint is from my reading lamp and is nothing to do with the coin, oops, fake...
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 Posted 04/12/2023  04:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spyro to your friends list
One of my problems was that I was using my iPhone to take the photos, so even when cropped the image had too many pixels. These were taken with a Lenovo tablet, that only has a 5mp camera.
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