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I found this coin and was doing a bit of research on it. It seems this coin wasn't issued until 1921 and the 1920 variant is 77.2% silver which isn't this coin.   |
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Thailand
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As you state the obverse and reverse are a mismatch. The 77.2% silver you refer to should read 0.040% silver 0.0772 oz.
I also really don't like the look of it, the rim looking vey suspect.
Although I've not seen this coin as a fake in any market, it's usually the 1 Piastre coin that has been heavily counterfeited, it would nor surprise me that this is a fake too.
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United States
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0.040% silver Seems awfully low. Even the Mexican pesos of the late 50s and early 60s were 10%/0.10. Edited by Arkie
06/23/2015 07:47 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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06/23/2015 08:52 am
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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THG: What you are showing there is a rare pattern, not the regular issue.
Please notice the lack of the silver purity information on it.
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What THG found is what I am thinking. In 1920 they released that coin, 4 million mintage. Then in 1921 they released the coin as I have posted. I found the coin at a coinstar machine last night so I have no history of it. No reason to think someone would fake this...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I weighed the coin and it's 4.2g.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Even with the hole 4.2g is too low for a genuine 1920 or 1921. Is it magnetic?
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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06/23/2015 12:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It is not magnetic. I just used a super-strong magnet from a hard drive. So...the mystery deepens...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here's a real 1920, in about the same condition as yours, but with the correct reverse. http://www.cgb.fr/indochine-francai...86034,a.htmlcgb rates this as an R2, so coin survival must not be very high for this date. At 95 euros it didn't go cheap. That would be one good incentive for counterfeiting it. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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06/23/2015 12:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That is why I posted it on the forum. When I researched the coin I saw the 1920 and the 1921 coins. The reverse for my coin is wrong.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Compare the two obverse images, especially the 2 in 1920. They are very different. Most of these 20 centimes are inexpensive in mint condition, and it would be easy to doctor in the 2 to make copies.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So, is this some sort of silver fake?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I doubt that it contains any silver.
I'd guess that it is French colonial period, probably pre WWII, made to rook tourists and French nationals stationed there. I don't think it was meant to circulate, but counterfeit collectors would probably pay well over the $1 melt value to have it.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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06/23/2015 2:54 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's not magnetic at all...so what would the coin be made of?
Why counterfeit it? Not sure what the coins value was back in the day...
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Pillar of the Community
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Nickel silver is one metal that would have been readily available in the 1920's. Copper/zinc/nickel alloy, looks like silver, non-magnetic. I doubt this coin would have passed easily in Indochinese circulation because of the low weight and defective reverse. As mentioned earlier common silver piastres were counterfeited and meant to circulate. The quality of these counterfeits is pretty good. http://art-hanoi.com/collection/exp...ake1908.htmlFrench nationals with an interest in coins would be the likely buyers, especially if the coins were offered cheap. No one else would care that much. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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06/23/2015 4:05 pm
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