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Help Translating Cayón Subastas Description Of 1733 Klippe

 
 
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 Posted 06/08/2016  8:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This description for lot 905 in the upcoming Cayón auction presents some interesting comments on the type. I can get the gist of it. Can anyone provide a better translation than google?


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FELIPE V. Méjico. 8 reales. 1733. MF. Ensayador en dos líneas, acotado por puntos, a la izquierda del escudo y ceca sobre valor en arábigo a la derecha. Cy9359. EGG.VM. 115.2 (VF- 330 €). 26,95 g. Mínimas concreciones superficiales en reverso. MBC+. Tono. Buen ejemplar. Esta serie conocida en su tiempo como de a martillo fue grabada por el maestro platero madrileño Francisco Monllor que entró en la casa en septiembre de 1730. Trabajó hasta su fallecimiento en 1760.Estos ejemplares no debieron tener buena aceptación en el mercado, ya que con el bando del 23 de diciembre de 1732 se creó cierta confusión sobre su legalidad; ordenaba no aceptar las monedas que se hallassen cercenadas. La población entendió que hacía referencia a este tipo de monedas, cuando en realidad se refería a las de la serie de cordoncillo.En 1734 Méjico dejó de acuñar de forma no esférica (como nos indica Burzio, es común ver este término junto con el de redonda en los documentos monetarios posteriores a 1728). El duro con cordoncillo y los pilares flanqueando los dos mundos en reverso fue el gran protagonista del cambio que llevó a cabo Felipe V; con total acierto por la generalización del uso del 8 reales columnario y, luego el de busto, que ha llegado hasta el siglo XX en Asia.
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 Posted 06/08/2016  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"cordoncillo" means milled edge. I think "hallassen cercenadas" means clipped or shaved as in the illegal act of removing small slices from the edges of coins.
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 Posted 06/08/2016  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Below is my reading of it. Presumably, the use of cordoncillo here is referring to round coins with patterned edges.




FELIPE V. Mexico. 8 reales. 1733. MF. Assayer in two lines, bounded by points at left of the shield, mint and value in Arabic at right. Cayon 9359. EGG.VM. 115.2 (VF- 330 €). 26.95 g. Minimum surface concretions on the reverse. MBC+. Toned. Nice example.

This series known in its time as a hammer was engraved by master Madrid silversmith Francisco Monllor who joined the mint in September 1730. He worked until his death in 1760.

These specimens were not well accepted in the marketplace, since the edict of December 23, 1732 created some confusion about its legality; ordering that any cut coins encountered should not be accepted. The populace understood the edict to refer to this type of coin when in fact it referred to the series of cordoncillo.

In 1734 Mexico stopped minting of aspherical coins (as indicated to us by Burzio, it is common to see this term along with the round in monetary documents after 1728). The duro with corded edge and pillars flanking the two worlds on reverse was the great protagonist of the change that took place during the reign of Felipe V; with complete success by the widespread use of 8 reales columnario and then the bust, which persisted into the twentieth century in Asia.
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 Posted 06/09/2016  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Pat. I found that Bing does a slightly better job than Google but neither can translate "hallassen".
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 Posted 06/09/2016  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My pleasure.

Let me know what comes of the auction!
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 Posted 06/10/2016  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add diatonix to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"...que se hallassen..." = "that would/might show up".
Here, the verb "hallarse" (from "hallar" = to find) is used in its past subjunctive mood, plural.
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 Posted 06/12/2016  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, diatonix.

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