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$40k Vehicle Burglary After Long Beach Show In Residential Area Of San Diego

 
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 Posted 09/13/2016  10:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CCFPress to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Numismatic Crime Information Center - A dealer, who had left the recent Long Beach Show, was the victim of a vehicle burglary when he stopped in a residential area in San Diego and left his vehicle unattended in a driveway for approximately 10-15 minutes. Approximately $40,000 in slabbed coins was taken.

Partial List of Stolen Coins
1877 quarter PCGS 64
1861-O half PCGS cleaned UNC Details
1869 half PCGS Proof 64
1938-D half PCGS 64
1799 dollar PCGS 25
1877-S Trade dollar NGC 62
1894 dollar PCGS 35
1900-S dollar PCGS 64
1928 dollar PCGS 63
1914 quarter eagle PCGS 62
1927 quarter eagle PCGS 63
1908 with Motto eagle PCGS 61
plus 100 other slabs.

Anyone with information contact:
Doug Davis 817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org
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 Posted 09/14/2016  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any documentary on the ID #'s of these?

PCGS should add a GPS tracking device for all coins over $10,000.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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PCGS should add a GPS tracking device for all coins over $10,000.

How do you power it? Do you have to have it reslabbed everytime the power supply runs out? I guess you could set it up with an induction recharging system. In effect a slab with a small cell phone attached to it constantly broadcasting it's location.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe RFID. Wouldn't be a low-jack-type thing but it could become mainstream where dealers and pawn shops and the like could scan a slab for RFID to check for reports of theft.

Of course that wouldn't stop a thief from cracking the slab.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They can already look up the serial number. Same limitation, crack it out, no more number to reference.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suppose you're right. But RFID would still allow "tagging" when in proximity to RFID readers.
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why couldn`t PCGS just put some kind of notation so when you verify the serial number it says if it`s a stolen coin or not. all that is needed for that is for the coin to be reported stolen to PCGS by an authority.
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I suppose you're right. But RFID would still allow "tagging" when in proximity to RFID readers.
The proximity is quite confined, so I do not see any real advantage when considering the additional cost.
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 Posted 09/15/2016  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How do you power it?


Solar power.
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And see, you wouldn't be cracking out $10,000 coins that are in slabs in the first place. They could make it so that $10,000+ coins are slabbed in some extremely hard, unbreakable plastic or bullet proof glass of some sorts. Maybe they make it so that only PCGS can remove the coin from the slab, and if you had a reason to remove it, you could ship it to them (either you pay shipping or they do it) and they will remove it for you without a cost.
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If PCGS can open it, anyone can open it. Locks only slow people down, none are perfect.

But back to the RFID idea...

Imagine having a sensor in the car that would trigger if the tag(s) moved out of the zone. Perhaps notifying an app or setting off a secondary alarm (you know, since the primary car alarm has been disabled by the thief).

Just thinking. Feel free to find holes in the idea.
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 Posted 09/15/2016  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I almost hate to say this, but just what is stopping some of these solo dealers from taking another person to a show just for additional security?
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 Posted 09/15/2016  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Time is money, so probably the pay that other person would like to get.
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If PCGS can open it, anyone can open it. Locks only slow people down, none are perfect.


My Dad told me when I was little "Locks only keep honest people honest."
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That is the truth.

Locks only change the cost of entry. Costs are justified when the reward on the other side is high enough. The hypothetical $10,000 coin might just be worth the effort.
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