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1981 Lincoln Cent, Strange Looking Obverse

 
 
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 Posted 12/28/2016  11:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kheldim81 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Lately I've been thinking of starting to collect U.S. coins from my birth year 1981 so I went through my circulated 1981 cents to see if I find something interesting. Only thing that came up was this one cent with strange looking obverse. Since I'm not an expert on any numismatic field I decided to take photos and ask is this somekind of error?

First picture on oberse and reverse is before acetone bath and second after acetone bath. Thank you for looking and happy early new year.









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 Posted 12/28/2016  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the alloys were improperly mixed. People call them woodies
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 Posted 12/28/2016  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like roller lines on the obverse - as I am not seeing anything on the reverse which would then indicate a possible Woody. Plus, all the lines seem to be symmetrical. I have a few of these in my collection, I really like the character / eye appeal that it adds to the coin.
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 Posted 12/28/2016  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not too sure that it's a woody either. It kind of looks like something was on the front
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 Posted 12/28/2016  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the acetone is starting to turn the color a bit pinkish. Usually a sign that the coin was altered on the surface.
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 Posted 12/28/2016  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a true woody but roller lines/stains.
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 Posted 12/28/2016  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Woody can be on one side or two, but it looks borderline to me. Good thing it's not a valuable coin because cleaning coins reduces their value.
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 Posted 12/28/2016  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with roller lines.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kheldim81 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your replies I'll write roller lines on flip. First coin for my "1981 U.S. odd coins" collection.
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 Posted 03/27/2018  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coppercati to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kdim, I've some 81 Lincolns, and so do others, that definately points to a bad alloy occurance. While these are good folks here, they can only offer opinions, often, understandably, past assessments based on similar posts, and their experience. They're likely right most of the time. However, with the changeover to Zincolns looming in mid 82, it was not business as usual at the mint. Venders, suppliers, contractors, origin of materials, personel, procedures, etc. were all affected. Bottom line, the idea of a roll or more of sheeting (13" x 1500'), with alloy mix incomplete here and there, all things considered, is not so far fetched. Having said that, it's rare, most offer examples from the 30s or 40s. Therefore, bad alloy mix is rarely considered, often dismissed as "a thing of the past". A low priority assessment, especially with circulated coins and their exposure to everything under the sun. There are frauds too, so, it's to say sometimes. Good folks here, offering up, giving time, it's all good. In retrospect, a bad mix alloy, in 81? "Nah, gotta be something else". Well, I have to add, we're looking at pictures, not the coin itself, just sayin.
I think it's an alloy issue too, along with a few other ccf members. Thing is, my examples are from an original mint roll, uncirculated. Planchets punched from stock that is simply under mixed, not fully blended. I'd add, I think "woodies" occur the same way, blended a little better than my planchets, but, a little short. Roller lines.? Kinda, as the rollers expand a Swirled mix of two different colored metals in an ingot, the 5% zinc, thin lines, the 95% copper, band lines. Of course, there is some various degrees of mixing, giving a grain look, perhaps. Copper red, zinc blue, and red/ blue combined purple, in various shades and degrees. My coins, yours, badthads, and others posted with these characteristics are most likely alloy mix related. Mine is uncirculated, and every hue can be obtained with copper red and zinc blue, exclusively.
I've got some pros working on it, including a top photographer in the field, metalurgist..I've got more pics, but they won't upload. When I can email, maybe they'll fly. When photoed by a pro, we'll get them posted somewhere.
Hang on to your coin, and, like me, appreciate the replies by members here. Coin variations have come a long way since I was a kid, new stuff discovered like crazy. Some here have answers that pan out, some, opinions, that can be helpful. Some, wrong guesses, but, that's the crazy. World of collecting. Good to see so much involvement, it's all good. Coppercati
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 Posted 03/27/2018  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the older woody cents, when the coin wears, the the wood design does not go away. On the ones with rolling lines, the highest points of the coin shows nothing as they rolling lines disappear on these areas. So these lines are only surface. On the woody cents they are part of the planchet, not just on the surface. Note the tops of the devices that are the highest? They are a different color because the lines has worn of those areas. (the motto devices)
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 03/27/2018  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to whether a Woody can wear, I think it depends on how deep the planchet is affected by the Improper Alloy Mix. On two sided Woodys the entire planchet is affected. Here's an example of suspected roller lines.

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 Posted 03/27/2018  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note on the ear. The color is different. The lines have worn off the coin there.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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