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Telling The Difference Between 50% And 80% 1967 Silver Quarters/Dimes

 
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 Posted 01/21/2017  6:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mike9999999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
If you have a Canadian Dime or Quarter from 1967, It's either:

-50% Silver/50% Copper (#1)
-80% Silver/20% Copper (#2)

A way to tell the difference on point is with an XRF gun, but these devices are very expensive. If you don't have an XRF gun, keep on reading.

So here's some theories I have gathered overtime:

-Coins released in mint sets are all 80% silver.
-Coins released into circulation (business strikes) are all 50% silver.
*Until they started minting 50% silver, both mint sets and business strikes were all 80% silver.

So,
If the coin is PL, it should be 80%.
If a coin is not PL and appears to be a business strike or is circulated, it should be 50%.

NEVER buy 1967 Quarters/Dimes at 65% silver (some dealers do that) if they're all business strike-looking! The reason some dealers do this is because they minted about the same number of 50% and 80% silver coins, but most of the 80%s went into mint sets as PL. Remember that since 1967 was the commemorative year many millions of mint sets were sold!

Sources: (Delete the links you find inappropriate, I personally believe they are all fine. I am not promoting any of these links.)
http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldr...c.php?t=4193 This guy tested a bunch of 1967 quarters and dimes with an XRF gun and found them all to be 80% silver. His batch likely came from the first part of 1967's business strikes, which were all 80% silver.
http://goccf.com/t/60503 Look at SPP-Ottawa's first post on this site, it says he checked 20 of his '67 dimes with an XRF gun and they all read as .50 silver.
https://gold-forum.kitco.com/showth...Silver-coins Tells the mintage of 50% and 80% silver dimes
http://www.canadiancoinsdollar.com/...r-Coins.html This is a bit hard to read, but tells the mintage of 50% and 80% silver quarters were about the same.
https://gold-forum.kitco.com/showth...ns-from-1967 The 4th comment of this post tells how all mint sets are 80% silver.
http://goccf.com/t/42080 florida's first comment here says that he has a PLish '67 dime and a regular '67 dime. He says they sound different when dropped.
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 Posted 01/21/2017  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The drop test has been known for years .
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 Posted 01/21/2017  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add punman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If a coin were moderately circulated, would it be easy to tell if it was PL or not?
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 Posted 01/21/2017  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
-Coins released into circulation (business strikes) are all 50% silver.................
If a coin is not PL and appears to be a business strike or is circulated, it should be 50%.

Absolutely and totally false.
Please reread the links you provided in their entirety.No one there comes to your conclusions.
Do the math, over 30 million 80% dimes struck, about 1.5 million PL and specimen sets issued, that leaves about 28.5 million 80% coins unaccounted for according to your conclusions.
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 Posted 01/21/2017  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mike9999999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DBM, where can I find this info? I've been trying to find a source as to how many sets were sold in '67.
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 Posted 01/21/2017  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mike9999999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
punman, it should be easy to tell between the letters I've found
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 Posted 01/21/2017  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Talonbat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DBM is dead on and in fact using the exact mintages of the dimes even subtracting specimen and PL dimes, more 80% 67 business strike dimes exist then 50% 67 business strike dimes. You should get 80% coins more then half the time. Deals aren't stupid they make money, they would not pay if they could not make the money.
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 Posted 02/12/2017  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mike9999999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Admins, can you guys take down this post? I now realize it's misguiding to anyone who comes across it.
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 Posted 02/13/2017  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Redzapsid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no need to take down the post, as long as the correct conclusion is reached. Ultimately, we all know not to believe everything they read on the Internet. Some member's opinions are more respected than others, and each reader can determine fact from fiction based on that. Anyone that reads only the first few posts of a topic is not truly interested in the topic. I didn't jump to the op's conclusion after reading through the posts. Others should do the same.
If anyone has a solid method for determining purity without an expensive, fancy machine, I'd love to hear it. The mintages of each and finish are not relevant to the new collectors that wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyhow.
Are the same dies used for both 50% and 80%?
Any markings that are different?
Any help would be great, I'd like this topic to stay alive.
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 Posted 02/13/2017  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As mentioned before .. drop them on a hard surface (bar, countertop, etc). You can tell by the pitch of the ring.
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 Posted 02/13/2017  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As mentioned before .. drop them on a hard surface (bar, countertop, etc).


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 Posted 02/19/2017  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mike9999999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to see some thing more trustworthy than the "drop test", what if someone melts all their 80%ers and sells all their 50%ers as 65%ers? I don't like the idea
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 Posted 02/19/2017  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigchip22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice to know this info
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 Posted 02/19/2017  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i believe there is a " specific gravity test"

here is one example http://www.attilacoins.com/Calculat...ity_coin.asp

seems like a lot of trouble, and if you were to try and sell your 67 coins based on your work testing each coin, I think you will have a hard time trying to convince people your coins are 80%.
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 Posted 02/19/2017  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scissel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't trust your sense of hearing, here is an older post describing drop testing using software to check the ring of coins. Looks like fun...

http://goccf.com/t/112924&whichpage=1
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