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Newest Dark Web Counterfeits Info [jan-March 2017]

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 Posted 05/08/2017  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect this is also being done for graded banknotes, US and foreign.
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 Posted 08/02/2017  04:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please post more info on good quality fake coins so we can know what to avoid
or at least be more wary of.
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 Posted 01/03/2019  03:43 am  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
China usually doesn't care, but I don't think they are producing counterfeit notes yet due to it being very problematic if you do start producing large qualities of notes.

However these fakes are scary good quality, makes me wonder if I can pick some up for very cheap (below production costs), so I can examine them.

Thankyou for the informative post.
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 Posted 09/16/2019  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW! The Morgan's are what concern me the others are way out of my price range, but the prevailing wisdom is that slabbed is safe.. doesn't look so safe anymore.
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 Posted 09/17/2019  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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but the prevailing wisdom is that slabbed is safe.. doesn't look so safe anymore.

Hasn't been "safe" since 2007, they have been faking slabs at least that long. That is if you ignore the fake PCGS rattler slabs that were being made back in 1989.
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 Posted 09/17/2019  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddyknuckles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bar previously shown was sold on ebay by "cashnowpawnllc" 100% feedback...idk if I was in the market to by gold bars I probably wouldnt get them from a seller who's other listings on ebay are 14 lots of baby formula...theres a sucker born every minute tho I guess. Thank you very much for the informative post scary stuff.
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 Posted 09/18/2019  06:00 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This weeks podcast at CoinWorld features a good interview with Beth Deisher ex editor of Coin World and now advocate at ACEF

https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...podcast.html

Look for episode #25 also relevant is #7 with my friend Jack Young of the "Darkside counterfeit" hunter extraordinaire. I have also posted some other videos of Beth in the recent past about her roll in the ACEF here at CCF.
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 Posted 09/18/2019  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why on Earth would you buy a coin on the 'Dark Web', if you already know that it is a clandestine place to go?

Also a place for child pornography, so the Police are patrolling this place far more often. Greater possibility of the Coppers nabbing illegal selling of any sort.
Therefore, Don't be a buyer. You could get caught, either way, by the scammers or the Coppers.

It seems to me that this is where there exists a far more risky place to buy fake coins, and a far more likely place to get yourself 'dudded'.
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 Posted 09/26/2019  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add accordselux to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why on Earth would you buy a coin on the 'Dark Web', if you already know that it is a clandestine place to go?

Also a place for child pornography, so the Police are patrolling this place far more often. Greater possibility of the Coppers nabbing illegal selling of any sort.
Therefore, Don't be a buyer. You could get caught, either way, by the scammers or the Coppers.

It seems to me that this is where there exists a far more risky place to buy fake coins, and a far more likely place to get yourself 'dudded'.


I think you're missing the point.

You can buy very realistic fakes from China on the Dark Web and sell them as genuine. These are fakes that are passing the test at pawn, coin, and eBay shops.

It's an informational post to show where these fakes are coming from and how realistic they are, not promoting the Dark Web as a source to buy coins.
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 Posted 12/13/2019  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
darn scary. I have a Capped Bust half dollar Lettered Edge that was in a PCGS holder purchased on eBay. Number checked out. I freed it from it's holder for my 7070 Type Set. No expert here on coins of that type. But something has always bothered me about it. When I get the gumption up I'll post it for you all to share your opinions.
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 Posted 12/13/2019  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a Capped Bust half dollar Lettered Edge that was in a PCGS holder purchased on eBay. Number checked out. I freed it from it's holder for my 7070 Type Set. No expert here on coins of that type. But something has always bothered me about it. When I get the gumption up I'll post it for you all to share your opinions
That is scary.
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 Posted 12/13/2019  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a Capped Bust half dollar Lettered Edge that was in a PCGS holder purchased on eBay.


The Chinese Counterfeiters are also making counterfeit PCGS and NGC holders.
I reported 3 last week from the same seller.
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 Posted 12/13/2019  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I showed this to my boss who has been a dealer for 40+ years. His exact words were "Well darn. That"s [expletive]ing scary!"
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 Posted 03/13/2021  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TechnoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as Pamp products are concerned, they have a free smartphone app for iPhone that automatically detects the genuine ones (https://www.pamp.com/veriscan).
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 Posted 03/13/2021  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tests for fake coins:

1. Weight
2. diameter
3. density
4. ping tone test
5. close in hand visual examination in the 'raw'.
6. test with a magnet
7. close in hand visual inspection with a 10X loupe, under ideal lighting conditions, also looking for alteration of genuine coins.
8. check data bases for known fakes
9. XRF test
10. ultrasound test, checking for core material.
11. independently provable provenance.

Can't do any of these things if in a suspect fake slab, unless the slab is broken.
If you don't suspect that the slab is fake, but later proven to be fake, then your are sunk.
One of the a few reasons why I am not personally keen on buying slabbed coins.

On the other hand, a good TPGrader worth their salt can provide a reasonably dependable authentication service, but to be 100% sure, that is for the TPG customer only. That is because they can do the tests mentioned above on the coin, in the 'raw'.
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