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1859 Canadian Large Penny - Rotated Die

 
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 Posted 09/28/2017  2:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add silvapd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have not seen any references to an 1859 Penny with a rotated die. I have one here. Has anyone seen one before, or have any info on such a "mole"? I think it must be very scarce.

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 Posted 09/28/2017  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a very nice specimen that carry's a premium but,Die rotations were not uncommon for this year, there are several examples for sale on eBay.
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 Posted 09/28/2017  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die rotation in the 59's is more "the norm" than the exception. We don't talk about it much because it's almost always there..

Your cent is a Haxby PC59-77a1..with dies 77a + P15a..

Nice dark brown in the outer legend but the lighter centers means that it was cleaned in the past..

Probably make F 12 ..but I'm no expert on grading..

Thanks for bringing it to us here..
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 Posted 09/28/2017  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rotations need to be at least 30 degrees usually before any meaningful bonus is realized. Those at 30-45 degrees are nice to have but really not rare or scarce.
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 Posted 09/28/2017  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvapd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, thanks for the feedback. I didn't know they were that common, as I haven't seen any references to them. Thanks!
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 Posted 09/28/2017  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvapd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh BTW, thank you DELVEC for identifying the variety. I will look this up.
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 Posted 09/28/2017  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This will save you some time..

http://www.vickycents.com/rev-p15a.html
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 Posted 09/29/2017  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Several of the Haxby die pairs are often found with 30-45 degree rotation.
All of the 77a1 and 301 that I have seen have about that much rotation. Those two would be unusual if they didn't have rotation.

There are 4 reverses paired with obverse 77a. If I remember right, I think the obverse die was rotated in the holder on the first 3 and corrected when they put in the last reverse die. I'll check that out tonight on the examples I have.

I checked the die pairs I have, and 77a1 and 77a2 have the larger rotation (30-40 degrees). 77a3 has a smaller rotation and 77a4 is pretty normal.
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09/29/2017 7:03 pm
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