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1840 One Rupee East India Company?

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 Posted 10/04/2017  1:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rexlucky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone

I recently started to collect british/India coins, how you all grade this coin thanks in advance.
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 Posted 10/04/2017  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EF, detailed, harsh dip cleaning.

Your photo gives this coin such a dull appearance that it sure looks severely over dipped.
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I agree with moxking. It's EF - cleaned. But a nice coin all in all!
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Welcome - can you take in focus pictures of the edge of this coin. I am not convinced that it is genuine.
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Could be ... its got that Fe/Ni, Cu/Zn/Ni (German Silver) or more unlikely a debased silver alloy making it a Chinese Forgery bland surface look to it ... unusual? obverse beading at K5-7.

Its weight should be very near 11.66 grams and at 91.7% silver according to KM does it ring like a 1964 U.S. quarter or silver dollar?

A nice long ring and similar to the U.S. Silver quarter or dollar. To cross-compare a regal to Chinese forgeries this should be sufficient IMO based on my studies. Weight and coin ring and to examine the third side (edge). Is it a 177 year old looking edge?

The keyword here is this coin has a bland look to it but it could be lighting and contrast in the photo. I do realize most Chinese forgeries have very close weights to regal but report it anyway.

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This coin is not the really rare Madras variety with the 34 berries worth hundreds of dollars, however, it is one of the slightly scarce 19 berry types. Unlike its cousins the 27 and 28 berry types which can be found at or near spot silver price (when heavily damaged), the coins having 19 berries typically command prices well above silver.

So for fun, I would ask rexlucky the sale price for this coin. Any coin that carries a premium near $20 above spot is a target for forgers.

Because we have not been shown photos of the edge and the weight was not supplied I remain suspicious.

So I spent some time comparing this coin with known originals to see if I could find a "problem" that would force a decision of "Forgery".

I think I may have found one or two issues but no real killer problems.

1). As John has pointed out, the color and surface texture looks like a forgery. No hint of die flow lines - no luster even in very protected areas of the surface. The fine details appear blunted and the letters are not sharp. Cleaning may be the reason, but I never start with a presumption of prolonged acid cleaning. The reason is that a forgery has that same appearance so I give this issue a push at best.

2). Next I noticed the width of the raised rim on the obverse. It is odd and perhaps too small. The oddity is that the die alignment is very poor. Wide rim at the top but not at the bottom on both sides is something I have not really noted before. This was a closed collar strike on a steam press using then state of the art British technology. There should be a visible collar seam on the reverse that I do not see. What I see favors but does not prove forgery.

So I would at this point not make a call either way, there is too much data missing.
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