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We use a lot of terms in coin collecting to those outside of the hobby.

Here are some terms you may have heard
Entry level
Curious collector
Hobbyist
Serious investor.


Here is a list of coin grading terms


Can you rewrite each term to represent a level of collecting and not a coin.
there are no "correct answers" so there may be some friendly disagreements - that's O K as long as we have some fun with this


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Definition of Coin Collector Terms

Proof
Technically, the term proof refers to a coin's method of manufacture, not its state of preservation. However, in reality, the term is used in grading to describe a pristine example of a proof manufactured coin. Lesser graded or damaged examples are described as impaired proofs.

Brilliant Uncirculated
Also referred to as FDC (Fleur de Coin - flower of the die). Although struck with normal dies, a coin described as BU is pristine, almost prooflike in appearance, being perfectly sharp, absolutely flawless and showing no signs of wear or bag marks. On the US grading scale, such a coin is described as MS-65. Grading at this superior level has become more complex in recent years with distinctions being made in many catalogs between (from highest to lowest state of preservation) - FDC, GEM Uncirculated and Choice Uncirculated.

Uncirculated
A coin which shows no signs of being in circulation. Coins in mint rolls are classed as uncirculated. Due to high-speed production techniques, even uncirculated coins may show slight imperfections such as minor bag marks or tiny rim indentations, especially on larger coins.

Extremely Fine or Extra Fine (EF or XF)
Under magnification, these coins show only the slightest amount of wear in addition to slight bag marks. Wear will be confined to the very high points of the design and the natural mint lustre common to uncirculated coins will be still almost intact.

Very Fine (VF)
Slightly more wear will be evident without magnification but the coin is still in a high state of preservation. A magnifier will show numerous light scratches over the high points and on the fields of the coin. Most of the high points will be affected and only traces of the mint lustre will be present.

Fine (F)
Considerable signs of wear will be apparent on raised surfaces and the fields of the coin will be quite dull. Almost all sections of the coin will exhibit some forms of wear. Generally there will be no traces of lustre and the rim border will be smooth in parts.

Very Good (VG)

A strange description for a coin which is rather ordinary. If you see a coin for sale described as 'circulated', you should assume that this is the best it will grade. The whole of the coin is showing significant amounts of wear although all of the main detail is still visible. Usually only scarce coins and those of historical significance are worth collecting in this condition.

Good (G)
Again, the wrong word to describe the state of preservation of the coin. Nearly all the fine detail is lost although most of the main detail and lettering is still visible. The surface of the coin will be showing considerable scratching.

Fair
This person knows most of the main features, on a coin or bank note but has no knowledge of it other than its face value

Poor
Average person who can tell what shape the coin is, but that's about all. There is not any training


You may note that someone has already submitted suggestions for POOR & FAIR
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Proof - A well aged collector that stays in a cellar

Brilliant Uncirculated - A new born baby of a coin collector

Uncirculated - A new collector waiting on his first Proof Set from the Mint

Extremely Fine or Extra Fine (EF or XF) An extremely hot female collector that I would love to make acquaintances with

Very Fine (VF) The Extremely Fine Collectors Sister

Fine (F) The Extremely Fine Collectors Cousin

Very Good (VG) A modest yet verbose collector that plays well with others

Good (G) A well-behaved collector with a slight addiction to sterling silver coins

Fair A collector that plays by the rules and always offers a reasonable trade

Poor The only money this collector has is in his Whitman folders.
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Nice start
but don't know I would publish a book with those designations

But I like them
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This is probably all wrong (not what was supposed to be intended) but it was fun, nevertheless...

Proof - Evidence of an action (good or bad) by a collector

Brilliant Uncirculated - A smart virgin collector

Uncirculated - A virgin collector

Extremely Fine or Extra Fine (EF or XF) What a collector is charged with for a violation like speeding to elude arrest, while drinking, and running into parked cars all at the same time

Very Fine (VF) What a collector is charged for a violation like speeding

Fine (F) What a collector is charged for not wearing a seatbelt

Very Good (VG) An old collector who has learned a new trick

Good (G) What a collector is when he/she is not bad

Fair (F) Where a collector rides the Ferris Wheel

Poor (P) What any collector is if he/she lives more than an hour from the nearest coin shop. Gas...sheesh!
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Proof - To have solid evidence (or lack thereof) regarding a persons guilt or innocence.

For example: "No, I did not make that counterfeit coin, officer. Just because I have the fake dies, the blank planchets and the presses in my living room does not mean you have enough proof for a conviction".


Brilliant Uncirculated - When a person refuses to mingle at a party because they are too intelligent to enjoy the company of others.

For example: "At parties, I like to circulate, but my husband, who is an astro-physicist, does not, he is therefore a Brilliant Uncirculated party-goer".


Uncirculated - When a person refuses to mingle at parties due to stupidity.

For example: "I dont want none of thems talking like cuse I'm too good so I'm Uncirculating with them".


Extremely Fine (EF) - When a person is penalised during an extreme sport.

For example: "While snow-boarding down Mount Everest, one of the competitors broke a rule and was therefore issued with an Extreme Fine".


Fine (F) - The word 'Fine' is indicative of one's husband making an enormous error in judgement.

For example:
"David, do you think I should buy this expensive dress. I probably shouldn't, should I? It is so pretty though."
"Well Margaret, you're right, you shouldn't buy it."
"Well just FINE THEN, whatever you say GENIUS!"


Very Good (VG) - This is used when another persons child accomplishes something that your superior child accomplished months ago.

For example: "Oh, very good Billy, you finally managed to grow a tooth".


Fair - A person uses this word in a setting where they have managed to cheat another person out of most of their money and all of their possessions.

For example: "Well it seems fair to me that I give you five-dollars and you give me your car, your house, and your very pretty young wife".


Poor - Any person who is or has ever been married, a parent, or a coin collector.

For example: "My husband needs new work boots, my seven children need books for school and I want to buy some more coins for my collection. I am soooo sick of being poor!"


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I'm going to be difficult and list them in reverse order, because I think they read better that way.

Poor - a collector who (a) consistently makes terribly unsound collecting decisions, and (b) remains largely ignorant of this fact.

Fair - a collector who has a RedBook or similar catalogue, but refuses to understand that the prices in there are "just a guide" and obstinately insists on buying and selling their coins at that price - anything else is denounced as "unfair". As a result, their collecting is stunted and many great coins pass them by.

Good - an "old school" collector that's reasonably competent at collecting and not fooled by blatant shysters like HSN, but may still be duped by the slicker operators on ebay or elsewhere. The collection may be somewhat haphazard and unfocussed.

Very Good - Is a diligent coin-hunter and is familiar with using the basic reference books required for their collection. They recognise that some coins needed to complete their collection aren't going to be easy to find, and do what they can to help improve their chances of finding them.

Fine - A well-rounded collector, familiar with just about any kind of coin they're likely to come across in change or from friends and family. Doesn't give up on their collecting goals when things start to get tough. May have already completed one collecting goal and moved on to another.

Very Fine - What many would consider to be an "average collector". Has reasonably detailed knowledge about specialist areas of collecting that they're interested in, and a good general knowledge about other areas of collecting which may not directly be of interest to them. Their collection is most likely a mixture of cheap, common coins and expensive, hard-to-find rarities.

Extremely Fine - has studied enough coins to be instantly aware of all the pertinent facts related to coins of interest when such a coin is shown to him. Has an extensive numismatic library, which is almost constantly being used. Few of their collection goals remain unfulfilled, and are constantly trying to find new areas to collect that interest them. Otherwise, they may find themselves struggling against that jaded, "there's nothing left to collect", feeling.

Uncirculated - a top-notch numismatic collector. Most likely an active participant in the market and familiar with all the ins and outs of the TPG system, the registry game, etc.. However, they may not be quite up to date on (or they may have forgotten) the facts and figures of the actual coins, and may have a tendency to look down upon those collectors in the "lower levels". Their collection will mostly reside in slabs.

Brilliant Uncirculated - An absolute numismatic genius, able to recall on demand all known facts about any numismatic subject you care to name. Has a collection that would make the museums of the world flock to his estate sale. Is on a first-name basis with most of the big-name, big-budget dealers.

Proof - not really a level of collector, but a separate scale used to rank "investors".

- A "Brilliant Proof" is a top-notch investor whose combination of good fortune, market nous and numismatic knowledge has made them obscenely wealthy.

- An ordinary "Proof" is someone who, through careful research and sound advice, has managed to gain returns from their coins that match or slightly better the returns from other things they might have invested in. And they've learned something about coins along the way.

- An "Impaired Proof" is living evidence of the old axiom, "the easiest way to make a small fortune in coins is to start off with a large one".
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I think what Sap listed sums it all up. To me what he listed are perfect examples.
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Go Sap go. I like Sap's defenitions.

-64s [:D
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lol sap nice 'proof' one

sap your a Brilliant Uncirculated :)

sap wins... I'll have a go anyway
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What SAP said.
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