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 Posted 01/11/2018  8:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add amnight to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, I am in need of help as to which Courteau number/variety this would be classified as. I know that it doesn't have a dot in the right rosette on the reverse... But that is basically all I know. I'm having trouble understanding his descriptions of the coins and their varieties. Thank you in advance and here are pictures!






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Pretty worn, might be difficult to nail it down.

But Doug, who is the ultimate dragon slayer, will likely be along shortly. If anyone can sort it out, it will be him.

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In addition to being extremely worn, this token is also very vanilla (due to the low-grade, no readily conspicuous die-cracks or other significant markers). Charlton identifies two varieties of this token, PC-5C1 'plain 4' which encompasses Courteau varieties 113-158 inclusive, save the sole variety PC-5C2 (Courteu 114) which exhibits a 'crosslette 4.

Dr. Courteau separates this series into two primary groupings dependent upon whether or not the right Rosette on the Reverse contains a dot. Varieties 111-132 (Group 1)contain no dot (yours is of this grouping), while varieties 133-158 contain a dot.

Using my 'Cheat-sheet' (copied below) we can proceed to narrow down the possibilities.


Note - Presently, varieties 115 and 155 are not available.


PLACEMENT OF THE NUMERAL 4 RELATIVE TO THE ABBREVIATION BELOW THE GROUND

An imaginary line along the right-side of the upright of the numeral 4 is on-line with:
The left Upright of the initial H. 111, 116, 118, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 145-2, 149.
Betwixt the Uprights of the initial H. 114, 129, 131, 139, 144, 144-1, 150, 152-1.
The left-section of the Stand of the right Upright of the initial H. 112, 132, 147, 148, 154, 156, 157.
The mid-section of the right Upright of the initial H. 113, 117, 119, 123, 126, 129-1, 137, 138, 140, 141, 141-1,
143, 145, 145-1, 146, 151, 152, 153, 158, 158-1.
The right-section of the right Upright of the initial H. 119-1, 120, 121, 122, 130.
Betwixt the initial H and the Ampersand. 124, 125, 127, 128, 130-1, 142.

An imaginary line along the upper-side of the diagonal of the numeral 4 is on-line with:
Betwixt the initial H and the Ampersand. 114.
The left-section of the Base of the Ampersand. 111, 133, 134, 135, 136.
The nadir of the Base of the Ampersand. 112, 116, 118, 129, 131, 132, 139, 147, 148, 149, 152-1.
The vertex of the Base and Leg of the Ampersand. 126, 144, 144-1, 150, 151.
The underside of the upper section of the Leg of the Ampersand 113, 119, 119-1 121, 129-1, 152, 154, 158-1.
The underside of the mid-section of the Leg of the Ampersand. 117, 122, 123, 128, 130-1, 138, 140, 141, 141-1,
145, 145-1, 153, 156, 157.
The nadir of the Leg of the Ampersand. 120, 130, 137, 143, 145-2, 146, 158.
The vertex of the Leg and Tail of the Ampersand. 142.
Terminal end of the Leg of the Ampersand. 124, 125, 127.


Numeral 4 in relationship to the Denticle:
Left-side: All, save those listed below.
Centre 122, 124, 128, 137, 149, 152.
Betwixt 117, 118, 120, 127, 132, 142, 143, 148, 151, 153.
Right-side 113, 125, 129, 139.
4 Canted right: 119-1, 124, 125, 128.
4 Canted left: 118, 145-2, 149.

Man’s left Foot is:
Perfect All, save those listed.
Complete / Weak 114, 124, 130, 131, 132, 134, 138, 142, 143, 144-1, 145-1, 154, 158.
Missing 111, 112, 114, 133, 146, 150, 152.
Note - Variety 114 is found having a perfect, weak, or missing Foot.


Lines below left Wing:
2 Lines 113, 114, 116, 117, 118, 119-1, 120, 121, 122 123, 126, 127, 128, 129, 129-1, 130-1, 132, 137, 139,
140, 141, 141-1, 142, 143, 144, 145, 145-2, 147, 148, 149, 151, 152-1, 153, 157, 158-1.
2 weak Lines 114, 124, 125, 138, 143, 152.
1 Line 111, 135.
No Lines 112, 114, 119, 130, 131, 133, 134, 136, 144-1, 145-1, 146, 150, 154, 156, 158.
Note - Variety 114 is found having a perfect, weak, or missing Lines.


Leg of Dragon detached: 111, 112, 113, 114, 116, 117, 119, 121, 128, 129, 129-1, 130, 130-1, 131, 133, 134, 135 136, 137,
139, 141, 141-1, 142, 143, 145, 145-1, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 153, 154, 156, 157, 158, 158-1.
Leg of Dragon attached: 118, 120, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 132, 138, 140. 145-2, 146, 152, 152-1.


Re-cut / Broken 5: 111, 121, 127, 130, 130-1, 133, 134, 135, 140, 152.

Missing / incomplete Wing: 111, 112, 133, 134, 144-1, 146, 150, 154.


Belly Not double-cut: 114, 127, 132, 152, 152-1.

Re-punched 2nd A in CANADA: 125.
Dot above left Ankle of Horse: 145-1.

The Union Jack
Perfect / Complete All save Weak / Missing (last entry this grouping).
Complete; thin opposite the E in TOKEN: 135, 136, 145-2, 151, 152, 154.
Complete / normal; lower forked. 152-1, 156, 158-1.
Complete / weak below KE in TOKEN / forked: 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 149, 150.
Complete; re-cut below entire E in TOKEN: 113, 114, 116, 156.
Complete / heavy ; re-cut below KE in TOKEN 117, 118.
Complete; closely re-cut below E / not to base: 119, 119-1.
Complete; Double-cut to left below E in TOKEN:
The double-cut mimics a complete St. Andrew’s
Cross frame. Lower of Union Jack forked right. 111.
Complete, does not extend fully to the base: 144, 144-1, 145, 145-1, 145-2.
Weak / Missing / below the KE in TOKEN: 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 130-1, 131, 132, 133, 134, 146, 153, 157, 158.
Corner of Shield ends diagonally 126, 127, 128, 129, 129-1, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 145-2.
Note - Variety 114 is found having a widely re-cut Union Jack or a normal Union Jack.
Variety 139 shews a complete heavy Union Jack, a complete heavy wavy St. Andrew’s Cross frame and an independent line broken in the middle, betwixt the two.

St. Andrew’s Cross frame:
Perfect / Complete: 129-1, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 141, 141-1, 142, 143, 144, 144-1, 145, 145-1,
145-2, 146, 151.
Complete / Wavy: 139, 140.
Broken / Weak in the middle: 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 130-1, 149, 150, 151, 152, 152-1, 156, 158-1.
Only upper and lower shews: 126, 127, 130, 132, 157.
Only Upper: 111, 116, 119, 119-1, 153, 154.
Only upper; trace of lower: 147, 153.
Missing / trace upper: 112, 113, 114, 117, 118, 128, 129, 131, 133, 147, 148, 158.
Note - Early die-states of variety 147 shew the upper and a trace of the lower. Later states shew a stub of the upper.

Union Jack / St. Andrew’s Cross frame:
Close together: 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 129-1, 141, 141-1, 142, 143, 147, 149, 150, 151, 152, 152-1, 156, 158-1.
Well separated: 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 144, 144-1, 145, 145-1, 145-2.
Distant / Merge: 142, 143.
Merge: 151, 152.
Wavy: 139, 140.
Deceptive (double-cut): 111, 116, 117, 118. The double-cut Union Jack mimics a complete St. Andrew’s Cross frame.

Anchor Ring quadrants:
Complete, 2nd and 3rd Heavier. All, save those otherwise listed.
1st & 4th weak; 2nd & 3rd normal. 118, 119-1, 124, 126, 131, 133, 137, 142.
1st weak; 2nd & 3rd heavy; 4th normal. 113, 114, 120, 145-1, 145-2, 146.
4th broken / weak: 119, 129, 133, 134, 141, 142, 143.


The T and N in TOKEN:
The Stands of the T and N in TOKEN are perfect on: 111, 112, 113, 114, 116, 120, 121, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 142, 143, 144, 144-1, 145, 145-1, 145-2, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 152-1, 153, 154, 156, 157, 158, 158-1.
The Stand of the T is perfect; the Stand of the N is complete, but not as heavy struck. 119, 119-1.
The Stand of the T is perfect; the Stand of the N is weak: 117, 118.
The Stand of the T is perfect; the Stand of the N is ˝ struck to the left and fully struck to the right. 128, 129, 129-1, 141.
The Stands of the T and N are weak: 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 130, 130-1, 131, 132.
Of these, varieties 124, 125, 126, and 127 have a small Dot betwixt the K in Bank and the upper Rosette.

+ N found perfect or having a weak left side. 141, 141-1.

The terminal of the Anchor Rope ends with:
One Dot and a thin line; a small Dot below the line. All, save those listed below.
One Dot and a thin line. 128, 129, 144, 144-1, 145, 148, 152.
One Dot 133, 134, 145-1, 145-2, 146, 153, 154, 157, 158 *.
No Dot 134. (on terminal varieties).
*Note - On high-grade specimens, variety 158 shews as two tiny diagonal downward pointing Dots.

Varieties 153, 154, 156, and 157 have the terminal Anchor Rope Dot as a single Dot. However, concerning the horizontal row of three Anchor Rope Dots betwixt the underside of the lower section of the Anchor Shaft and the right Anchor Fluke we encounter a strong diagnostic marker. One group consists of three large uniform Dots, the left is near the Anchor Shaft. The other group shews three smaller Dots, with the left Dot even smaller, and distant from the Anchor Shaft. Details concerning each will be addressed as encountered.

Small / distant terminals meet 153, 154.
Large / near. 156, 157.


Miscellaneous concerning Reverse:
A faint circular Dot is centered betwixt the Pineapple, the bottom of the right leg of the N in TOKEN, and the right Rosette. 121.
A faint oval-like Dot-like mark is to the right of the E in ONE. 120.

A large oval-shaped globular mass is to the right of the vertical of the upper Serif of the E in ONE, on-line with the left-side of the regular large Dot. 141, 141-1, 142, 143, 156.

A large faint circular mass is very close to and slightly to the left of the apex of the arc of the Anchor Rope atop the end of the blade of the Sword. 135, 136.

A rather large globular Lump is in the field, nearly touching, and slightly to the left of the apex of the upper section of the Anchor Rope Dots above the terminal end of the Sword. 153, 154, 156.

A large buttress-like mass is about the shoulder of the right-side Arm of the Anchor: 126, 127.

A bold Dot is in the field on-line with the upper corner of the left Lobe of the upper Rosette. The Dot is a trifle closer to the Rosette than to the K. This Dot is situated on-line betwixt the 2nd and 3rd Denticles to the immediate left of the upper Rosette. 124, 125, 126, 127.

A Dot is mid-way betwixt the K in BANK and the upper Rosette, on-line with the upper Arm of the same K. 144, 144-1, 145, 145-1, 146.

A Dot is on-line betwixt the 3rd and 4th Denticles to the right of the K in BANK and is on-line with the mid-section of the left Lobe of the upper Rosette. 158-1.

A small Dot is in the upper section of the right section of the St. Andrew’s Cross. The Dot is near the left diagonal of the Cross frame, and is on-line with the Upright of the E in Token. 149.

A Dot is in the field betwixt the upper Rosette and the T in TOKEN. The Dot is on-line horizontally with the right-side of the lower Lobe of the same Rosette, and on-line vertically with the left-side of the upper right-side inner Crown Jewel. 156.
A small Dot is centred in the field betwixt the Knees of the Forelegs of the Horse. 151

A defect resembling a horizontal ‘V,’ consists of two independent crossing lines.
The upper arm is heavier and is from the upper section of the Man’s Calf, extending horizontally to the mid-section of the side of the Horse. A slightly thinner line is from the left terminal end of the above line, extending back to the Man’s right Leg on-line with the top of the Man’s Boot. 150.

The Serif of the Upright of the K in BANK (reverse) is triple-cut. 130, 130-1, 131, 132.

The lower left quadrant of the juncture of the Battle-Axe Head and Handle is blocked. 130, 131, 132.

Die-Cracks Obverse
Numeral 1 120, 127, 138, 143.
Numeral 8 131, 154.
Numerals 854 131.
Numeral 4 125, 150 (x2).
Numeral 5 113, 146.
through Date 116, 141, 141-1.

B in BANK 114, 117, 122, 130, 141.
Betwixt B/A in BANK 137.
BA in BANK 131.

A in BANK 125, 131, 142 (x2), 156, 157.

N in BANK 119, 124, 148, 150.

K in BANK 112, 118, 120, 121, 122, 127, 130, 139, 140, 141, 150, 158.

through BANK 117, 126.

O in OF 125, 146

Betwixt O and F 131.

F in OF 114, 124, 146, 147.
through F UPPER CANADA 122, 131.

Betwixt F in OF and you 121.

To Mantle 113, 116, 122, 130, 132, 138, 147, 148, 151, 152.

Man’s right Hand 147, 151.

you in UPPER 113, 118, 123, 143, 147, 148.

1st P in UPPER 112, 120, 121, 125, 128, 140.

1st P to Helmet 126, 140.

2nd P in UPPER 119, 122, 124, 142, 153.

Betwixt PE in UPPER 132.

R in UPPER 120, 137, 151.

PER C in UPPER CANADA 132.

PER CANADA 143.

UPPER CANADA 137.

From Horse to C 128.

C in CANADA 131.

1st A in CANADA 138.

N in CANADA 119, 120, 122, 128, 133, 139, 142, 143, 148, 150.

2nd A in CANADA 114, 118, 149, 150.

D in CANADA 129, 139, 146.

3rd A in CANADA 119, 122, 124, 126, 127, 137 (x2), 138, 147, 148, 151, 156.

CANAD in CANADA 120.

through Ankles of Horse 126, 140.

Right ground 116, 120, 123, 128, 130, 140, 153.

Left ground 116, 124, 126, 129, 137.

Left Rosette 120, 139, 147, 148, 151.

Right Rosette 141, 143.

Foreleg of Horse 139.

Man’s Head 147.

Tail of Horse 147.

Hoofs of Horse 148, 149.



Die-Cracks Reverse

B in BANK 126, 140.

BAN in BANK 129, 140.

A in BANK 117, 119, 147, 148.

N in BANK 151, 152.

NK in BANK 126.

Crown 128, 129, 147, 148, 151, 152.

Shield 140, 147, 148.

Betwixt Rosette & T 121.

Betwixt T/O in TOKEN 144, 144-1, 145, 145-1, 146.

OK in TOKEN 146.

K in TOKEN 116.

N in TOKEN 140.

ON in ONE 126.

H in HALF 152.

ALF in HALF 126.

L in HALF 119, 129, 131, 132.

F in HALF 152.

P in PENNY 143.

2nd N in PENNY 137.

Y in PENNY 137, 143, 147, 148.

betwixt Y and Rosette 152.

Cornucopiae 117, 119, 126, 127, 128, 129, 139, 140, 142, 147.

Anchor 140, 152.

Left Rosette 142, 143.

To Pineapple 151, 152.


Obverse Die-Clash 111, 114, 119, 121, 123, 125, 129-1, 130, 130-1, 135, 137, 145-2, 156, 158-1.

Reverse Die-Clash 111, 114, 116, 119, 120, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 130, 130-1, 131, 132, 137, 141, 141-1, 142, 143, 145-2, 147.


Using the above data, I first chose to narrow the search by examining the varieties having a weak stand to the T and N in TOKEN. When all is said and done, I believe this to be Courteau variety 124 having a rarity factor of 3 on a scale of 1-10.

My cut and paste of variety 124:


#65279;124 R-3
Obverse characteristics:


The numeral 4 is close to the numeral 5.

The left end of the Stand of the numeral 4 in the date is on-line with the centre of the 3rd Denticle to the immediate right of the numeral 5.

The numeral 5 is nearly Upright.

The right-side of the Stand of the numeral 4 is much nearer the Denticles than the left-side; thus the 4 is canted to the right.

#9758; Note - The ‘cant’ of this variety cannot be used as the sole determining criteria for attribution as Doctor Courteau failed to indicate the same 4 on variety 125 is even more canted.

An imaginary line along the right-side of the Upright of the 4 extends betwixt the initial H and the ampersand, below the ground.

An imaginary line along the upper-side of the diagonal of the numeral 4 extends to the terminal of the Tail of the Ampersand, below the ground.

The Man’s left Foot is weakly struck.

The upper outline of the left Wing of the Dragon shews well.

Traces of two lines can be detected below the left Wing of the Dragon.

A long faint line is below the Man’s right Arm.

The left Bridle Rein is very weakly struck, distant from the right Bridle Rein, and joins to the underside of the mid-section of the right Bridle Rein.

The outline of the Belly of the Horse is double-cut.

The Knob to the Dagger-hilt is nearly round, slightly smaller than usual, and slightly separated from the Man’s right Hand.

The upper side of the Thigh of the Man’s right Leg is double-cut.
Note - The author has a mid-grade specimen having a blundered ‘O’ in OF. This is probably some sort of post mint damage, but how did it happen.

The left Leg of the Dragon is weakly attached to the Body of the Dragon.

From perfect and broken dies.

A Die-Crack is to the left ground.
This long meandering, straight and somewhat wavy Die-Crack is from the
centre of the Denticle to the immediate left of the B in BANK, extending to the tip of the left ground.

Latter die states are more extensive, and upon entering the ground, the Die-Crack bends abruptly 90° upward and enters the lower section of the Tail of the Horse, on-line with the Plank of lumber, and serpentines the length of the same Tail, exiting the apex of the upper curve of the same Tail and enters the upper corner of the 5th Mantle Fold. The Die-Crack crosses atop the Die-Crack from the N in BANK (to be discussed in due order).

A Die-Crack is to the 3rd A in CANADA.
This Die-Crack is from betwixt the Denticles above the centre of the 3rd A in CANADA, extending to the right section of the top of the same letter, exiting the centre of the Stand of left Leg of the same letter, and extending to the Wrist of the right forearm of the Dragon.

Latter states of this Die-Crack have the crack forking into three branches inside the same forearm. The centre branch extends to Neck of the Dragon. The left branch extends through the length of the same forearm, and exits the right Elbow of the same forearm, and extends through the ground to the initial ‘o’ in the abbreviation R H & Co. below the ground. The right branch extends through the Paw of the same forearm, and exits the tip of the right Claw of the same Paw, and extends through the tip of the Ear of the Dragon, exiting to the mid-section of the Stand of the right Leg of the 2nd A in CANADA.

A Die-Crack is to the N in BANK.
This Die-Crack is from the lower right-side of the right Upright of the N in BANK, extending to the vertex of the 4th and 5th Mantle Folds, and continuing along the inner edge of the Mantle, exiting to the corner of the 2nd Mantle Fold, and exiting to the centre of the Denticle betwixt the F in OF and the you in UPPER.
Note - This Die-Crack was not mentioned by Doctor Courteau.

A Die-Crack is to the F in OF.
This Die-Crack is from betwixt the Denticles above the left-side of the Upright of the F in OF, and extending to the top of the same Upright, on-line with the left-side of the same Upright, and along the left-side of the same Upright, exiting the left-section of the Stand of the same Upright, and extending slightly below the upper corner of the 3rd Mantle Fold, and continuing along the Pleat of the 2nd Mantle Fold, and exiting to the Man’s right shoulder.
Note - This Die-Crack was not mentioned by Doctor Courteau.

A Die-Crack is to the 2nd P in UPPER.
This Die-Crack is from the left-section of the Denticle above the Serif of the 2nd P in UPPER, extending through the same Serif, on-line with the left-side of the Upright of the same letter, exiting the lower section of the left-side of the same Upright, and curving close to and around the left-side of the Stand of the same letter, and extending to the apex of the Crest of the Man’s Helmet, and
exiting the top of the right section of the same Crest, and forking.

The upper branch runs above and parallel to the Head of the Horse, and
extends into the field above the Ankle of the left Leg of the Horse. The lower branch extends through the Ear and Head of the Horse, exiting the lower corner of the Snout of the Horse, and extends into the field, parallel to and below the prominent Die-Crack previously discussed. The terminal of the upper Die-Crack merges with the lower Die-Crack, and the Die-Crack extends to the Ankle of the left Foreleg of the Horse, and forks.

The left branch extends through the same Ankle, and exits to the Ankle of the right Foreleg of the same Horse. The right branch exits the Tip of the Hoof of the same Foreleg, and exits into the field betwixt the Hoof of the left Foreleg of the Horse and the left Stand of the 2nd A in CANADA.
Note - Higher grade specimens may shew this to be a continuation of the Die-Crack to the 3rd A in CANADA (previously discussed).
Note - This Die-Crack was not mentioned by Doctor Courteau.



Reverse characteristics: The same as varieties 122, 124, 125, 126, and 127, but having a small Dot betwixt the K in BANK and the upper Rosette.

The Stand of the T in TOKEN is weak.

The Stand of the N in TOKEN is weak.

The right-side of the Stand of the Upright of the K in BANK is weakly struck.

The right-side of the Stand of the Leg of the K in BANK is weakly struck.

The right-side of the Stand of the Leg if the K in TOKEN is weakly struck.

The right-side of the Serif of the right Arm of the Y in PENNY is not fully struck.

The outline of the Union Jack ends in a small fork.

The outline of the Union Jack below the K and E in TOKEN is weak. A short fork (to the left) is on-line with the Serif of the E in TOKEN.

The St. Andrew’s Cross frame below the E in TOKEN is broken in the middle.

The St. Andrew’s Cross frame does not extend to the base of the Shield, but rather merges with the underside of the Fork of the Union Jack.

The hole in the Battle Axe appears as a large depression.

The left inner ornamental Balls is disconnected from the Cornucopia.

Four Dots comprise the Anchor Rope Dots betwixt the Feather and Anchor Shaft are very small, irregular, and weakly struck.

The Anchor Rope ends with one Dot and a thin line. A small Dot is attached to the underside of the line.

The Anchor Ring is complete.

The 2nd and 3rd quadrants are much heavier than the 1st and 3rd.

A small Dot betwixt the K in BANK and the upper Rosette.

This bold Dot in the field on-line with the upper corner of the left Lobe of the upper Rosette. The Dot is a trifle closer to the Rosette than to the K. This Dot is situated on-line betwixt the 2nd and 3rd Denticles to the immediate left of the upper Rosette.
Note - This Dot may not be readily discernable on lower grade specimens.

Die-Clash marks are about the Battle Axe Head.

Being struck from ‘upset dies’ or a coinage die-axis, the mimicked image is shewn in reverse. Markings are to the right and left of the Battle Axe Head.

From perfect dies.

Thus:
124 Perfect - no Die-Cracks.
124A A Die-Crack is to the left ground.
Die-Crack as above, plus a Die-Crack is to the 3rd A in CANADA.
Die-Cracks as above, plus a Die-Crack is to the N in BANK (obverse).
Die-Cracks as above, plus a Die-Crack is to the F in OF.
124B Die-Cracks as above, plus a Die-Crack is to the 2nd P in UPPER.

Note - Some Die-Cracks were not mentioned by Doctor Courteau.

This is the Die-Crack progression.


Be advised, on tokens of this grade, many characteristic diagnostics are not readily discernible. Some imagination may be required.

enjoy

doug
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Holy cow I didn't think there was that much going on with that coin. Will have to check mine out.
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Quote:
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Doug has these nailed down to the molecule... one day I hope to know a tiny fraction of what he has forgotten

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Unreal Doug, just unreal, when did you start studying this stuff, when you were about 5...
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