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 Posted 02/02/2018  11:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this one today and I really like it,Mainly because I haven't seen this type before. The die ______ ( fill in the blank) is somewhat faint but can be seen easily with a 5x loupe. I know in the closeup it's hard to tell,But the anomaly runs from the eye all the way down to the DI. Any advice is greatly appreciated!


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 Posted 02/02/2018  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 02/02/2018  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awfully straight for a die crack.
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 Posted 02/02/2018  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's why I put fill in the blank! I still need work on MM's,Die whatever's and edge strike throughs among other things. I admit I'm a slow learner, But I like to be precise, very precise!
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 Posted 02/04/2018  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So far in this box of nickels I've found 12 of these. I'm 1.5 rows into the box which is 99% 2017 P's. So it looks like these aren't very rare.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't sound like it!
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 Posted 02/05/2018  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That area is deeper into the die, so I don't think it is a die dent, or die gouge. Seems odd that the field is weaker than the bust area affected. But die polishing affects just the field so that could weaken that area. Not sure on this one. The strongest areas is deeper inside the die. Looks like I might have Mike Diamond to look that this one?
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 Posted 02/05/2018  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop is right that your garden-variety die gouge or die dent should be strongest in the field and the areas of shallowest relief. Here it's the opposite. Which suggests to me that this elevation represents a piece of hubbed-in debris that fell out of the working die after hubbing was completed.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My day thus far has been total dung, But to get get Coop and Mike Diamond to respond to my post, Well Life is looking up. Could I send one of these to either of you two for a closer look?
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 Posted 02/05/2018  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An in-hand examination would add nothing to the evidence already provided by your excellent photos. I did write about a similar coin in Coin World:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...mpe.all.html

Unfortunately, the images are no longer there. Still, it fleshes out my explanation.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike. I knew it had to be something different as it broke all the rules of a die issue to me. Always good to enlarge our coin-iary (sorry, made up word) education.

Here is a bit of home work for you. Put a nickel with this design under a microscope and place a put a tooth pick on the coin. This will help you to see how small the struck through item could be. Measure between the cheek to the collar on the coat. That will give you an idea how small it was. New try a straight pin/needle or even something smaller if you have an item like that. Then you will see how minor something would have to be to cause this issue. (Images would be helpful also)
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 02/05/2018  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Newbie234, this example made me reflect back on your other two examples. Thanks, Doug.

http://goccf.com/t/286249&SearchTer...12,scar,face
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 Posted 02/13/2018  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Halo, It did ring a bell with me as well! I thought of the other 2017 P nickel. But I can't seem to find the thread.I finished the box and found a whopping 56 with the same hubbed in debris. But I also found these 2 with what looks like a rim burr strike through. I also laid a toothpick on the last pic. That was seriously small piece of debris!


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 Posted 02/13/2018  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just had a funny thought. This coin would look unique if it had a Phantom of the opera mask on it. It would have been a project for me, if I had the software for my new computer to make one. So I guess someone else will have to run with my idea. LOL
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 02/13/2018  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike and coop
Rim burr across lips also Newbie?
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