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Is This 1869 S Half Dollar A Fake?

 
 
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 Posted 03/17/2018  4:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Heymikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Something doesn't look right with this 1869 S Half Dollar? Take a look left of liberty's elbow in the drapery, it looks like it is missing some of the drapery. It does match the die marriage of WB-2 but just looks off. What do you think?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1869-s-Sea...!94526!US!-1
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 Posted 03/17/2018  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks legit to me. Just heavily polished. Yaak!
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 Posted 03/17/2018  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is real, but is harshly cleaned. I recommend you do not purchase this coin.

Seller states in the description that no coin is original; all coins have been cleaned, it's just the level of cleaning.

I recommend you examine all items sold by this seller carefully. They have some original coins for sale, but most of their higher-grade examples are polished.
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03/17/2018 5:21 pm
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 Posted 03/17/2018  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is some extreme polishing, I have no intentions of buying this, It just looks off along with the polishing.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What percentage price reduction would need to be applied to be able to sell it for an advantageous price for the buyer?
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 Posted 03/17/2018  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would depend on what he paid for it, I think! It's genuine, but a freak, and woe to the person who eventually buys it. It's eBay, step right up folks.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gee, wouldn't it be sumthin if it was a polished MAGNETIC fake...


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 Posted 03/17/2018  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No surprise what seller this is. His Mercs usually look just like this.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree it's heavily polished. I see that missing drapery under the left arm, perhaps a grease filled die. Also, nice die clashes on the reverse, too bad about the harsh cleaning.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, this seller typically sells cleaned and problem coins, avoiding accurate descriptions in the process. I found, by personal experience, that his pics were deceptive. He accepted the return without issue but blocked me as a future buyer. I learned that when I tried to bid on a counterstamp he had. It was a good piece, so I had a friend purchase it for me.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whizzed, not just polishing.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ron6788 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin has been so heavily dipped it looks like it was painted with silver. No regular dealer of coins would not suspect this. If he offered up the coin as such for $100-150, with the proviso that it's only genuine, he'd get my respect. Instead, he takes a cheap shot at the TPG system with this statement, as if it somehow justifies his less than ethical practices:

Our estimate is that grading services clean over 10,000 coins each week. Some dealers literally send thousands of coins in Plastic Proof set/Mint set containers to grading services. The grading services "crack them out" and dip them to remove toning and haze. Grading services charge for their service and will grade the coins they clean with a SOLID grade without reference to having cleaned them.

In no way is this true.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Check bandsdean's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add bandsdean to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Took that one to the buffin' wheel!
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 Posted 03/17/2018  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 03/17/2018  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Check TNG's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the new nave collector, those nice shiny coins probably look better than the old original old coins.
This seller may have taken advantage of selling to a certain buyer niche. The uneducated.
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 Posted 03/19/2018  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin has been polished. The die has also been extensively polished and that is why the drapery is missing. You can also see heavy die polishing lines in the left field and around the rock.

The missing drapery isn't from grease fill because the missing portions are the shallowest areas of the design meaning they are the HIGHEST portions of the incuse design. As the planchet metal pressed against the "grease" it would tend to push it "downhill" into the deeper recesses of the design and weaken the high relief areas.
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