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Hephthalite Phromo Kesaro

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I've had this coin for a while just getting around to posting it.

Hephthalite AR Drachm
of Phromo Kesaro over struck on a Sasanian drachm of Hormizd IV.
Circa 7th century
Coin counter marked on obverse with bust of king and on the reverse with a Baktrian legend.
Balkh mint
32mm x 4.09g x 3h
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Nice one! The bust looks like it could be a countermarked official... most that you see are imitations.
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I believe this was an official issue from the time of Hormizd IV, counter marked later by the Hephthalites.
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Very nice--love the double-countermarks!
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Thanks Dave.
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Nice one, Ron. I'm glad you found the time to post it. Neat countermarks.
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Thanks Bob.
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Very nice coin Ron!

Especially like the reverse details of the alter and attendants..

I don't know much about counter marking..Why was this done?

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Paul, I assume that they had a lot of these coins left from Hormizd IV and rather than melt them down and make new dies, they just counter marked the old coins.
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Here's mine, for comparison:

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Traditionally, countermarks would have been done to certify a coin to circulate in a certain area, although curiously some of these central Asian types are never found without countermarks.

Edit to add: The Bactrian countermark on these is pretty easily identifiable as Greek: ΦOPO

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=156173
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The obverse counter mark on yours is much clearer than mine, I think it is also an official issue and not imitated.
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These countermarks are found on local imitations. The most obvious "tell" is that on the reverse, the arms of one or both figures are crossed the wrong way. The imitations always carry the BLH (Balkh) mint mark and the frozen date "11" (AD 389/90), the year in which the Turks captured Balkh from the Sasanians.
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Thank you for the welcome. You can find a number of these coins on Zeno https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=12898, described there as "Western Turk yabghus". The attribution to Phromo Kesaro is considered speculative but it gets a lot of play in the trade. φορο in the Greek language means "tax" or "tribute". Though the Greek alphabet was adapted to write the Bactrian language, Greek loan words are said to be rare. Coincidence?
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Thanks for the info, seems you are familiar with this type. I take it from your user name you might also be one of us few eastern empire collectors?
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Yes, I've owned a number of these through the years. The name Kushanshah is more stream of consciousness at the time I registered than anything to do with current interests. At one time or another, I've been a serious collector of Hunnic coins, Islamic coins, Roman Imperial, English hammered, Lincoln cents, etc.
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