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My 1894 S Morgan is a fake!  
 

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 Posted 04/15/2018  11:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tony1969 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Friday the 13th got me! I thought I would weigh a Morgan I got 2 years ago off Craigslist,since I didnt have a scale back then,when I first started collecting. to my horror it weighed 24.9 grams.I even took it to a coin dealer previously before I knew!thinking it might be an AU , he examined it closely told me nope its a EF. its not attracted to a magnet, and makes the same sound when dropped on a wood table as my others. at least I only paid $50 for it, and I truly think guy I got it from had no idea, I picked up at his house, I thought it may of been cleaned or wiped. monday I will take in to see if its even silver. be careful out there.Im sure more seasoned collectors can see what I don't see. it no longer deserves an air tite.



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 Posted 04/15/2018  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, it's definitely a fake. The shape of the 8 is a dead giveaway.
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 Posted 04/15/2018  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tony1969, first welcome to CCF. Second, I'm sorry that your first post has to be negative news like this. Craigslist can be a bit of a minefield for the numismatist--perhaps next time post pics here before you complete your purchase. We won't catch every fake for you, but we might be able to help.
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 Posted 04/15/2018  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SilverDollar2017, nice catch on the eight.

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 Posted 04/15/2018  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really bad.



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 Posted 04/15/2018  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenBerthiaume to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hard to believe there'd be enough money in making fake coins like that. You have to create a mold for the coin and it would have to be very exact. Is it possible that more than one die was used and the number 8 is slightly different on it?
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 Posted 04/15/2018  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Check Crazyb0's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One company in China estimates it puts 100,000 fakes A MONTH into the coin market worldwide and have been doing if for the past 15 years! That's just one of the dozens of MAJOR outfits producing fakes and un marked "copies". Do the math, is is really a good idea to buy without the correct knowledge and ability to return if purchased? Especially off of Craplist, oh my...don't get me started on them!
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 Posted 04/15/2018  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ron6788 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, tony1969, and
Sorry, for your bad experience. Fakes are no longer a novelty. They're all over! I can see you being fooled by this one. Have you tried to contact the seller? Even if the sale was a long time ago, he should still be liable. Doesn't matter if he knew it was a fake or not. It's illegal.
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 Posted 04/15/2018  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Is it possible that more than one die was used and the number 8 is slightly different on it?


No. None of the known die pairs have an 8 that looks like this. With both the weight and the date being off, it is definitely a counterfeit.
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 Posted 04/16/2018  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 04/16/2018  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tony1969 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh wow I see the difference in the 8 now! thanks for the info and thanks for all the welcomes! & woes! not sure how or if I can reply to each comment? I'm not even gonna toss this fake in with my loose Morgans, not until I know what shes made of. she might try to contaminate em. thanks so much!
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 Posted 04/17/2018  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add man2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you even get silver value out of that coin?
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 Posted 04/17/2018  03:56 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An 1894-S Morgan is worth hundreds of dollars in EF or AU. Buying it off craigslist for $50 should be a tip-off that there's danger. Also it is an arms length fake that any dealer worth their weight in salt should have immediately recognized and let you know.

At least it was a relatively inexpensive lesson. Welcome to CCF!
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 Posted 04/17/2018  06:28 am  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I agree that better a $50 lesson than a $500 one.

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 Posted 04/18/2018  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tony1969 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice and info, this was one of the first Morgans I got 2 years ago, and all this time it was one of my top ten Morgans, never expected it to be fake. from now on only buying from reputable coin dealers. guy wanted $100 and I talked him down to $50. so thankful for that at least.
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