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1909 S VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent - Pretty Good Fake

 
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 Posted 05/06/2018  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For sure.
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 Posted 05/06/2018  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The giveaway for me was the weakness of LIBERTY and the mintmark
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 Posted 05/06/2018  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The biggest giveaway for me was "Liberty" and "God" from "In God We Trust". Still a pretty darn good fake though.
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 Posted 05/06/2018  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
when it comes to key dates and especially ones that are often faked, I will never buy a raw one.......has to be slabbed by NGC, PCGS or ANACs
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 Posted 05/06/2018  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 4 known dies for the 1909-S V.D. B.




The Dot on the 'D' is centered between the area.

On the V.D.B. the Plain V.D.B DOTS are in a different placement.

So an added 'S' on a plain VDB would show the center dot in a different placement.

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 Posted 05/06/2018  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Check HoboNickelCarver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add HoboNickelCarver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look impressive. I guess the mark on Lincoln is suppose to make it seem more authentic.
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 Posted 05/06/2018  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, do we think this was actually a 1909 VDB from Philly with an added mintmark, or a complete fake?
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Mint mark it totally wrong and the location of the center dot on the VDB is like the plain VDB cents. So it was an add on to the coin. Nice to have all this in one place.

CoopHome 1909-S VDB real?
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I checked out the PCGS Coinfacts app and for the plain 1909 VDB, they show examples with the dots in both positions.

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Off-center D dot:




Centered D dot:


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 Posted 05/06/2018  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint mark is almost certainly glued on. Question about whether it is a fake coin altogether or an original 1909-P VDB I am less sure of. Noted above are things like the weakness in LIBERTY and GOD, the missing dot after the V, plus that the coin sounds a little off when it rings. But I have to go with a real coin, as why would you fake a plain and then add the S and not just fake the whole thing at once?
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 Posted 05/07/2018  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So who's right? Coop or PCGS? I had always wondered if there weren't two different working hubs in Philly...
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Why don't we ask the worker at the mint? Oh wait, he probably doesn't work there anymore... LOL Glad this was brought up about the two locations for the plain VDB. But the mint mark is all wrong and the only reverse for the SVDB, is the one with the center dot. But nice to know that someone could fake the location if they had used the correct reverse. (so not all is lost)
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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the mint mark is all wrong and the only reverse for the SVDB, is the one with the center dot. But nice to know that someone could fake the location if they had used the correct reverse. (so not all is lost)


Oops!

Still waiting for the super SVDB...

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1909-S VDB. Sorry
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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