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Best Site For Market Value Of Raw & Slabbed Coins?

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Anyone have any insight on an online site that gives updated market prices for raw and slabbed coins? Thank you.
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 Posted 06/27/2008  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermike4283 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
try going thru PCGS for slabbed and use a Red Book for raw. ebay is junk as thats' what people are bidding on..not what they are worth.

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Ebay is junk as thats' what people are bidding on..not what they are worth.


I don't think that's entirely true. ebay plays a big part in market values. There are many other factors, but if you think it doesn't affect the big picture I think you're sadly mistaken.

You say Red Book, we get very close to or more than Red Book on a fairly consistent basis so it can't be that bad an indicator.
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Heritage auction archives/eBay completed listings. Everything else (pcgs, RedBook, greysheet) is just a guide and if you follow them you could end up paying too much or selling for too little.
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 Posted 06/28/2008  03:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neversuited1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gentleman, thank you. Do you know or use any online sites that are as comprehensive as PCGS, but for a raw coin. Ex. If I find a 1950-D Jefferson and IMO is near say AU-55, is there an online resource comparable to PCGS? Once again, thank you.
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"Market Value" isn't some number that someone publishes, somewhere - it's real prices paid by real people for real coins. Therefore, records of actual sale prices will always be a better determination of market value than anything else. For slabbed coins of reasonable value, that means Heritage and, to a lesser extent, Superior. For raw coins, it means ebay. Like it or not, ebay's records cover probably something north of 50,000 coin sales per week - at any given time there are around 115,000 US coins for sale on ebay - and if you want to know what your coin will sell for, look to the places where they're selling coins like yours.
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Heritage is a good site for slabbed coins, they have an exhuastive libarary of past auction results. ebay is good because I can show the more conventional "real world pricing. The Red Book is a good guide for retail prices, but the blue book shows what dealers would pay for raw coins. A great example is a 1909 vdb ms-66 red slabbed by pcgs. I bought this 2 years ago from heritage
price was $179. the wholesale cost at this point is around 330$ and the pcgs site is listing it for $550. if you walk into a coin store they will try to get around 550 for it. is you are patient and do you research you can find good deals. tap as man information sources as possible
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Thank you everyone for your insights. This truly is one of the best forums I have seen. You guys and gals share your honest opinion, sometimes harsh, but honest. You treat all questions with class. Everyone on here deserves a pat on the back. Thanks again for your time.
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Thank you for the kind words - they describe exactly what we're trying to achieve here.

A little addition:

Coins, like any other artistic investment, appreciate and depreciate according to demand as much as anything else. For that reason, it's tough to create an accurate database of values - what's correct this month might be off-kilter next month due to a gain in "perceived value" among collectors. A favorable news story might come out about an American Eagle, and there'll be a bump in demand (hence price) as a result. The recent USS Republic coin recovery is a good example. Some really, really nice, rare coins are hitting the market as a result, some of which will affect the populations of certain high-end rarities. You would think that the sudden addition of coins at the high end of a group would drive prices downwards (more available means cheaper prices in economics), but I contend that they will drive prices upwards. The publicity surrounding the wreck recovery has increased the size of the audience for these coins and added a category to potential collectors of them - people who collect shipwreck coins - and as a result I expect prices of similar coins to substantially increase over the next few months.

Words of caution about online auction sites: There is always the possibility that competition between two or more bidders for whom a given coin is more important could drive the price artificially high. For instance, two people who need the single coin to finish a collection will likely be a lot more enthusiastic about bidding than simple supply and demand might indicate. You'll see this often in Heritage records. ebay is even worse, because of the addition of bidders who aren't really aware of the true value of what they're bidding on. I hate to see it, because it hurts the bidder's pocket, but people will bid moon money for lesser coins simply because they've somehow become wrongly convinced that the value is greater than it really is. Then you have auction fever, the spirit of the competition pushing bidding to unrealistic levels.

Especially with ebay, certain categories tend to return unrealistic results. Higher-end coins (those worth, say, $500 and up) tend to be either underbid (knowledgeable collectors tend to stay away from ebay for coins of this value, knowing the prevalence of uneducated bidders) or overbid (uneducated bidders FTW! ). Lots of cull coins can be greatly overbid as well.

When researching auction results, look for widely varying prices for what seem to be similar coins. That's a sure sign of unrealistic pricing due to bidder activity. A one- or two-coin spike might be the result of the coin being a variety of greater value, but consistently-varying results indicate you should proceed with caution.

The point of my long-windedness is to make you realize that "pricing guides" are kinda difficult because it's a moving target, subject to the whims of the collector, rather than reality.
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Thank you SuperDave for going even further into detail regarding market pricing. And a good point made about the new, recently discovered, higher end coins creating "buzz" in the world of collecting as a result stimulating prices.
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