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What's going on with the reverse of this Seated Half?  
 

 
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 Posted 06/27/2018  1:50 pm Show Profile   Check Ploopy's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
First post in a while, was recently on vacation for 2 weeks.

So in my infinite boredom since coming back, I came across this on eBay. On the reverse, near the O mint mark, there seems to be 2 raised lines. What could've caused these?


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 Posted 06/27/2018  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like two areas of damage that pushed up the metal on the coin. Could be die gouges, not sure.
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 Posted 06/27/2018  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can you post a link to the listing?
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 Posted 06/27/2018  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ZenFE99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The font looks odd, and too far away from the rim? Possible fake?
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 Posted 06/27/2018  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I was thinking that. Obverse pics and link to the listing would help determine if this is fake. Large raised bumps are common on fakes.
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 Posted 06/27/2018  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A link would indeed be helpful.
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 Posted 06/27/2018  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Highly suspicious coin.
The softness of all the text at 12 and 6 versus the sharpness at 3 and 9.
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 Posted 06/27/2018  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This looks like an 1841 O WB 101, WB 8 variety half dollar. Identified by the die cracks on the right and between the AL in Half. I agree with SilverDollar on the pushed up metal damage. Do you have a picture of the obverse?
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 Posted 06/27/2018  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait... I just found it, yep an 1841-O and it is not a counterfeit.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1841-O-Sea...AOSwj6lbJbaO
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 Posted 06/27/2018  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Check Ploopy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it was fake I wouldn't have bothered posting it, and strike weakness is common on these, so that's why it's soft.

Thanks for the info, I was wondering what could've caused it and I got my answer. Thank you. It's a real nice coin besides the damage, truly a shame.

What's the difference between this raised metal damage, and die gouges?
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Die gouges would be on the die used to strike the coin. Pushed up metal caused by damage is PMD (post mint damage), and not part of the manufacturing process at the Mint.

Thanks Heymikep for posting a link. After looking closely at both the obverse and reverse of the coin, I think that it is real, and the damage on the reverse is PMD caused by damage. The raised part is the pushed up metal, caused by a foreign object coming into contact with the coin and "displacing" the metal.
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 Posted 06/27/2018  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same ping tone and accurate weight as genuine?
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 Posted 06/27/2018  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Check Ploopy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the explanation. Since itís PMD, where is the accompanying damage that caused the raised lines? All I see are just the raised lines themselves.
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 Posted 06/28/2018  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Since itís PMD, where is the accompanying damage that caused the raised lines? All I see are just the raised lines themselves.

Very similar to the PMD on this piece. I was told a very sharp tool was the cause, the raised lines are the result of the metal being displaced.

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 Posted 06/28/2018  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Been watching this post to see if anyone has come up with an answer.
In my opinion it is PMD caused by pushed up metal.

Two reasons for saying this.
When looking at an "error", I try to think not of how it was done,
but could it possibly been done at the mint. In this case about the
only way I can think of it being done at the mint is by a die gouge.
If it was a die gouge there would be many more minted and would have
been discovered by now as a variety.

Also if you look at the picture that I enlarged, it looks like there
are marks showing where the metal has been pushed.

As I say, this is only my observation.


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