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1801 Draped Bust LC S-223 Die State IV

 
 
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 Posted 06/30/2018  01:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Aoraki to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Spinning off from an earlier thread... Please post a picture of this coin! I'm quite sure I know what every other Breen die state looks like for this variety but this one has me a bit confused. Apparently, die state IV is actually later than die state V (according to a reference made in a past EAC auction catalog).
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 Posted 06/30/2018  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one was attributed as a DS IV in a Heritage Auction a few years ago. These intermediate die states don't seem to be very obvious.



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 Posted 06/30/2018  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aoraki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one was attributed as a DS IV in a  Heritage Auction a few years ago. These intermediate die states don't seem to be very obvious.


Thanks! I agree completely with your last statement. I'm still not seeing the difference between DS IV and DS V...

With regard to DS IV, Breen talks about the die break above RT touching the left top of Y. Actually, I haven't seen this - the rim break actually touching the Y - even on DS VI coins. Hmm.
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 Posted 06/30/2018  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aoraki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At the risk of being accused of being obsessed, check out these photos (both from Heritage). The first is attributed as a DS V, the second as a DS VI.





The second coin is clearly identifiable by the rim break at the end of the drapery. But, this coin - attributed as a DS VI - clearly has less of a die break above LIBERTY than the coin attributed as a DS V. How can this be? Is it possible that the rim break at the bust was repaired - and DS VI actually preceded DS V?
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 Posted 07/01/2018  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no way Stage VI could precede stage V because the huge cud at the end of the bust would have to disappear. As to the cud at RTY appearing smaller on that stage VI coin do you note the centering of the planchet is off and LIBERTY is much closer to the edge of the coin. Part of that cud is not present. It is off the edge of the coin making it look smaller. Breen is wrong about one thing though, even in stage VI the cud never touches the left arm of the Y. So the description of Stage IV is wrong. Also the clashes he mentions on the reverse of Stage IV are visible on the coin pictured in the book as stage III. It is possible stage IV doesn't exist.
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 Posted 07/01/2018  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aoraki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There is no way Stage VI could precede stage V because the huge cud at the end of the bust would have to disappear. As to the cud at RTY appearing smaller on that stage VI coin do you note the centering of the planchet is off and LIBERTY is much closer to the edge of the coin. Part of that cud is not present. It is off the edge of the coin making it look smaller. Breen is wrong about one thing though, even in stage VI the cud never touches the left arm of the Y. So the description of Stage IV is wrong. Also the clashes he mentions on the reverse of Stage IV are visible on the coin pictured in the book as stage III. It is possible stage IV doesn't exist.

Excellent point about the planchet centering! Thanks also for confirming my observation around Breen's Stage IV description.
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