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1853 Braided Hair Half Cents - Fakes?

 
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 Posted 07/12/2018  5:02 pm Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So I bought these on eBay from the same seller. He has a lot of positive feedback (thousands). They were at auction, and I won them for about $40 a piece.

As I was 'conserving' them with acetone (because they seemed to have lacquer), I realized they looked a little weird.

What do you think?

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 Posted 07/12/2018  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What did they look like prior to conserving them?
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 Posted 07/12/2018  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin has been lacquered, and much of it is still clinging to the surface.
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 Posted 07/12/2018  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the sellers pics before conservation. I stopped when I first thought they looked weird.

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 Posted 07/12/2018  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost looks like acid coins. I suppose it could be lacquer remnants clinging to them...
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 Posted 07/12/2018  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After closer inspection of coin # 1, the weird waviness I am seeing only appears where the 'lacquer' is.
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 Posted 07/12/2018  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks like someone aggressively removed corrosion.
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Did you try gently rubbing the wrinkly spots with a q-tip while in acetone ?
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 Posted 07/12/2018  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's simply coagulated lacquer sitting on the surface and distorting the appearance. A 10-minute soak in lacquer thinner followed by water and acetone rinses should restore the coin. NO rubbing!
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 Posted 07/12/2018  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Did you try gently rubbing the wrinkly spots with a q-tip while in acetone ?

All I got to do was rub a q-tip over the coins with acetone.

Later tonight I will give them an acetone soak. I don't have lacquer thinner.
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 Posted 07/12/2018  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Started the acetone soak just a second ago.
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 Posted 07/12/2018  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So far, not any difference.
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 Posted 07/12/2018  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins were damaged before the acetone soak. I would be surprised if acetone made any improvement.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  12:34 am  Show Profile   Check coinlover1899's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still no difference.

Does anyone think they are counterfeit?
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 Posted 07/13/2018  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still think they were heavily corroded, aggressively cleaned and artificially colored.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt these are fakes. Looks like it could either be the lacquer distorting the surfaces, damage from the lacquer, a harshly cleaned and recolored coin that originally had corrosion, etc.

As a last resort, try some lacquer thinner and then an acetone soak/rinse as Coinfrog said.
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