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Big Fat Rim on this 2005 Quarter, Squished Beads, Mint Error or PMD

 
 
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 Posted 07/12/2018  5:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Check out the pics and tell me if you think it could have been done
at the mint. It could have been a pipe that squished the beads. But
that fat rim...










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 Posted 07/12/2018  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen something very similar on a roll fresh MS 1965 5 cents. Something from the mint I think. I will get a picture tomorrow.
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 Posted 07/12/2018  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could it possibly be damage from a roll crimper?
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 Posted 07/13/2018  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my 1965 5 cents. It came from a roll with quite a few of these. Definitely from the mint. Some of them had the beads pushed into the rim like this one. Some had a line through the beads like the coin above.

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 Posted 07/13/2018  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting for sure!
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 Posted 07/13/2018  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not quite sure what could cause this Don, but great photography.
Makes it easy to see what you are talking about.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jimmy it is strange.
When my wife looked at it she said look at this one, I said
hmmm. Got out the loupe and noted the beads and rim.
Could it be a striking error, weight appears within
tolerances. Reeded edge says it was struck in collar.
Wonder if the die could have been deteriorated enough to
make a fat rim and messed up beads.

The 2005 weighs 4.48 grams.
The 2013 weighs 4.50 grams.
Leuchtturm Libra Mini Scale.
Coins and Canada says 4.4 grams for this coin.
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 Posted 07/13/2018  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dies are close to their last strikes, worn to a point of slipping in the collar, causing a slight off struck
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 Posted 07/14/2018  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it look more like the die had grease in it and they wiped the die down, forcing the remaining grease into the outside edges of the die. Thus the inside edges show some design, but the outside edges prevented the strike. That is what I see. Some images are showing damage to the fields inside the bead area as already mentioned.
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 Posted 07/14/2018  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some close ups of the beads in different areas.

Thanks Coop for the expert opinion.

It is a messed up strike.





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 Posted 07/15/2018  01:46 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone care to entertain the possibility of damage from a machine? That's what it looks like to me.
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 Posted 07/15/2018  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm breaking my vow...I will comment on this post in a Canadian forum, last ventures north of the border have been abysmally met with Canuck rancor. Based upon those last pix posted Spruett001 has nailed it with his first comment previously stated. This is an indention caused by the metal arm of a coin wrapping machine or other similar device. There is a vague possibility as Coop has stated that this was a grease fill, this isn't...those other coins may have been, not this one
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 Posted 07/15/2018  03:56 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for some grounding, Crazyb0. The second pic in the most recent post shows a circumferential scrape across the coin. Actually, all the pics show that; the second is just the most clear. Grease doesn't like to form thin lines, especially if it is supposed to form a pattern.

There is an open suggestion that this a Mint error of some sort and I am hard-pressed to find a cause of it.


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 Posted 07/15/2018  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canacoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Was wondering bout ya CrazyB0 , sorry to here that. Agree with you and spruett.
Have seen this on occasion in many denom's .
Always thought it looked like the coin had spun and something dragged on it.
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 Posted 07/16/2018  12:34 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am curious, though, about Smallcentguy's coin. The pics are pretty fuzzy, but it seems to be affected in a different way.

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Do you have any closeups or clearer pics of the coin you posted earlier?
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 Posted 07/18/2018  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spruett001, I thought it was damaged from a machine as well, but didn't say it.
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