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 Posted 07/19/2018  12:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I ran into straight graded Seated dollar with unusual patina on obv. I want to hear your opinions on what caused the coin's patina, do you like or dislike it, and if this coin warrants a straight grade.



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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a fan. Obverse isn't the best, but the reverse is definitely cleaned. Low eye appeal for me. Personally i'd grade it XF Details.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse isn't unusual. The reverse has been cleaned.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's not a chance my grading company would straight-grade it, if I had one.

I could see the obverse naturally toning prior to the reverse, under the right conditions, and it doesn't necessarily look completely out of the ordinary to me. However, that would mean it was exposed for a long time when the reverse wasn't at all, and as a result there wouldn't be patchy areas of very dark toning as seen on the reverse. The conclusion is the coin has been cleaned in the past, likely because it was the reverse which toned more darkly, and I'm again clueless as to how PCGS came up with what they did. The technical grade is a tad generous, as well.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse has been cleaned and is market acceptable. Not a fan.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm again clueless as to how PCGS came up with what they did. The technical grade is a tad generous, as well.


Happens all the time in this series. Market acceptable.

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Where you been, man? Mountain climbing in the swiss alps?
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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I were to submit a Morgan dollar with this type of surfaces it would surely be body bagged (old term) Are Seated dollars getting this big of a pass?
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 Posted 07/19/2018  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Are Seated dollars getting this big of a pass?


YES! and for many years!
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 Posted 07/19/2018  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree it's market acceptable and that you see this sort of thing commonly, but it's not a coin I'd want to own.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not care for the high point wear color of the coin. I believe that the coin had a nice overall patina but then was reintroduced into commerce for a brief time and the high points tone wore off. There are quite a few silver coins with this type of tone removal through circulation or other handling.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a fan of this coin either.

I've been looking to fill last two 7070 holes for the last 9 months, both of which are Seated dollars.

Two trips to Long Beach coin shows were fruitless, over priced and few selections. I did meet a gentleman who had albums of Seated dollars and was overwhelmed with the number of Seated dollars. But he came from Seated dollar club and coins were not for sale.

Looked at thousands of eBay coins, but did not find one that I liked without paying high retail dollars. Couple of HA did not pan out either.

Didn't realize Seated dollars are this difficult.



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 Posted 07/19/2018  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking Seated dollars do command some strong prices.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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. Looked at thousands of eBay coins, but did not find one that I liked without paying high retail dollars. Couple of HA did not pan out either.

Didn't realize Seated dollars are this difficult.


It's definitely not a series where you're going to find bargains on the premium or nicer examples. Buyers will have to pay up for those or make some quality concessions.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In a word. Yuck.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's definitely not a series where you're going to find bargains on the premium or nicer examples. Buyers will have to pay up for those or make some quality concessions.


I just got a sweet Seated dollar today with super surfaces and original toning. Wasn't cheap but worth it for a nice coin. I'd rather pay up for quality myself.
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 Posted 07/19/2018  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just got a sweet Seated dollar today with super surfaces and original toning. Wasn't cheap but worth it for a nice coin. I'd rather pay up for quality myself.


Completely agree and congrats on the new pickup
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